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Breakers said:
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Like spending the farm without doing even the slightest bit of due diligence and having to guarantee every single dollar and structure the money so he can accept after he already rejected you once

That is desperation
Learn to keep up
It’s not that difficult
But apparently it is for you
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I think you are clearly blinded by a hatred.
The Browns won a bidding war for an elite player, an elite player that multiple other teams wanted. If thats desperation then sure? But I guess any other team who ever wins a bidding war is also desperate now.
The due dilligence is done by 2 grand juries refusing to indict. Civil suits happen in the NFL all the time. A resolution will be reached, and this will all blow over (like it did with Big Ben), and on the other side of this The Browns will still have the elite QB that multiple other teams wanted.
 
edguy said:
I think you are clearly blinded by a hatred.
The Browns won a bidding war for an elite player, an elite player that multiple other teams wanted. If thats desperation then sure? But I guess any other team who ever wins a bidding war is also desperate now.
The due dilligence is done by 2 grand juries refusing to indict. Civil suits happen in the NFL all the time. A resolution will be reached, and this will all blow over (like it did with Big Ben), and on the other side of this The Browns will still have the elite QB that multiple other teams wanted.
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A bidding war with a no trade……
Congrats on grasping the how desperate it is
You got there eventually
 
edguy said:
It was dumb to get a franchise QB for the next 10 years? And to structure his contract in accordance with a way as to not obstruct us while he is suspended?
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To give over $200 in guaranteed money to someone accused of 24 sexual crimes is galactically stupid, heartless and the act of a team with no morals and no scruples.

They would have signed OJ if has 28 years old and acquitted.
 
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Spring in Fialta said:
The number is always what gets me the most. If there's no sexual intention, why in the world would you need that many massage therapist? It makes zero sense however you slice it. The dude's a predator.
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Especially when you consider he plays in the NFL and the team had everything you need already.
 
NFL Live is just laying into him.

The former players say you have the NFL secured network that you have access to as a player you log online and it has all these therapists that you dont even have to pay for in whatever city you are in They are registered with the proper certifications and reduces liability.

most of the guys said they have had the same massage therapist for years.

Also Calvin Ridley was suspended for a year for $1500 bet

they have to suspend him longer than that.
the suspension only affects his $1.2 million salary which is the veteran minimum

if he gets suspended games in the following year then it REALLY hits his pocket book.
 
The Browns are boned. He's not going to suit up this year and they'll have to start Brissett all year. Sweet Jesus that franchise really can't get anything right. They should be contending but one thing or another is always sinking them.
 
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Buzbee is kind of a dickhead too but at least he's doing everyone a solid by making sure its still in the news.

How many more can there be?
 
Static said:
How anyone can think this dude is innocent is incredible. 24 separate women are lying? Jesus.

Rusty Hardin is a piece of shit too, that guy reeks of corruption.
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Right , it's near impossible to get 5 people on the same page but suddenly 23 ,now 24 random woman came out of the woodwork all with basically the same claim .All probably have proof of at least contact via text or call .All to target Watson and grab cash. I can’t buy this ,would be one of the greatest scandals in history.. What are the logistics behind pulling something like this? Not to mention it's illegal to fals accuse someone so they risk personal freedom or a counter suit. The non disclosure agreement should be the death nail for anyone thinking this dude was set up.

Wtf is a happy baby Yoga lol?
 
Breakers said:
Dumbest organization in the history of football

I’m still speechless they allowed him to structure his guaranteed money to avoid the upcoming suspension so he loses like nothing of his guarantees
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Part of the reason they structured his contract that way was because they knew they might end up having to eat all of Baker's cap hit this season.
 
Spring in Fialta said:
The number is always what gets me the most. If there's no sexual intention, why in the world would you need that many massage therapist? It makes zero sense however you slice it. The dude's a predator.
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Well the obvious answer is if hes on the road but I think we are far beyond questions like this with Watson
 
If Watson wanted some action, why not get some high priced escorts or something? Wtf dude, at least with a escort you’ll get multiple endings you wish.
 
edguy said:
I think you are clearly blinded by a hatred.
The Browns won a bidding war for an elite player, an elite player that multiple other teams wanted. If thats desperation then sure? But I guess any other team who ever wins a bidding war is also desperate now.
The due dilligence is done by 2 grand juries refusing to indict. Civil suits happen in the NFL all the time. A resolution will be reached, and this will all blow over (like it did with Big Ben), and on the other side of this The Browns will still have the elite QB that multiple other teams wanted.
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Grand juries refusing to indict him doesn't make him innocent. It just means there's not enough evidence to prosecute, and that's going to be the case because these massage/assault sessions were not being recorded.

There's no doubt he did at least some of this.

EpochLink said:
If Watson wanted some action, why not get some high priced escorts or something? Wtf dude, at least with a escort you’ll get multiple endings you wish.
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And you can go places where it is legal.

Or even as Bob Craft showed us, the league isn't going too hard after someone who is going to a place where the service is part of the agreed to transaction. He could have gone to a place where that's part of the fee.

But bringing in random masseuses he found online is what makes this assault.
 
Troy McClure said:
Part of the reason they structured his contract that way was because they knew they might end up having to eat all of Baker's cap hit this season.
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NFL network said the contract structure is part of the reason he decided to waive.

Cleveland did it to appease Watson and make sure he loses as little money as possible in the suspension everyone knows he is going to serve.
 
TheAngryHank said:
66 ,that's a number tweeted somewhere of how many appointments he's had in a 1.5 year span.
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That's the appointments we know he had. Doesn't mean he assaulted *all* 66 therapists he came across...though I wouldn't blame anyone for assuming that given his track record.

What I'm curious of is there potentially more than the 66 appointments the article spoke of. That and if there's any other shit Clemson is hiding from his days there.
 
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Troy McClure said:
Grand juries refusing to indict him doesn't make him innocent. It just means there's not enough evidence to prosecute, and that's going to be the case because these massage/assault sessions were not being recorded.
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Seems the fix may have been in. If Houston was helping Watson out, I can see the ownership going to the D.A. to make it go away.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Tony Buzbee feels "duped" by news of regular contact between prosecutors and Deshaun Watson's lawyer

Tuesday's article from Jenny Vrentas of the New York Times takes an unprecedented look at the extent to which Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson's lawyer, Rusty Hardin, communicated with Harris County, Texas prosecutors regarding the investigation and eventual grand jury proceedings arising from the…
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Based on information obtained from public records requests, Vrentas writes that Hardin commenced a “regular dialogue” with assistant district attorney Johna Stallings in early 2022.

According to Vrentas, Stallings and Hardin “met at Hardin’s office, spoke over the phone 12 times and exchanged more than two dozen text messages” in the two months before ten criminal complaints were presented to a pair of grand juries in Texas.

“Just so there is no confusion,” Buzbee said on Instagram, “I personally contacted the Harris County DA’s office one time on behalf of the victims to make available to her my clients and any evidence I had collected. My team also did so. They wouldn’t even talk to us! I has no idea that the assistant district attorney was regularly corresponding with Deshaun Watson’s lawyer by email and text; I didn’t know that the assistant district attorney actually went to [Rusty] Hardin’s office to discuss the cases; I didn’t know that Watson’s lawyer provided a PowerPoint that was to be used before the grand jury. I didn’t know, but now know after speaking to the investigating officer under oath, that the police investigation team was convinced that Watson had committed more than ten sexual crimes, or that the ADA has prevented the investigating officers from talking to the women who had filed lawsuits but had not filed criminal complaints. And what I do know is that, of the multiple criminal complainants in Houston, only one was asked by the ADA to appear in front of the grand jury, even though other victims were standing by to do so. As a taxpayer, and more importantly as the advocate for these women, I feel ‘home towned’ in my own home town, and duped.
 
TheAngryHank said:
Right , it's near impossible to get 5 people on the same page but suddenly 23 ,now 24 random woman came out of the woodwork all with basically the same claim .All probably have proof of at least contact via text or call .All to target Watson and grab cash. I can’t buy this ,would be one of the greatest scandals in history.. What are the logistics behind pulling something like this? Not to mention it's illegal to fals accuse someone so they risk personal freedom or a counter suit. The non disclosure agreement should be the death nail for anyone thinking this dude was set up.

Wtf is a happy baby Yoga lol?
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And in the NYT article there were at least a few women who said there were shenanigans going on and requests for sexual things that are not filing a suit, so it would seem that it is his M.O., and that a few are giving him a free pass on it
 
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