Management Claude Julien III - the final countdown?(ALL talk here)

[Spooner st]

How much does spooner morrow and c miller want to play for this coach. They must be praying for A trade

No, NHL coaches are praying for the GM's not to trade for those players.
Maybe C Miller is a little more attractive. The other 2 are what we call donkeys with low IQ.

 

[ODAAT]

They are actually practicing tomorrow.

I'd figure Claude was going to give them another paid day off citing fatigue as a major factor/excuse.

my sources say they have an extended session set to focus solely on perimeter shots with no traffic in front

 

[mikelvl]

The fish rots from the head. Charlie Jacobs would be nervous managing a paper route. I have zero confidence in his decision making. He is Cam's puppet.

 

[BMC]

The fish rots from the head. Charlie Jacobs would be nervous managing a paper route. I have zero confidence in his decision making. He is Cam's puppet.

I have thought this for some time now, ever since that press conference when Charlie continually turned to Cam for comments. Neely has a strong personality and I think he dominates Charlie.

I also especially didn't like Charlie's comments that it was up to Cam & DS to decide about the coach. If those two are deadlocked on any issue I think Charlie needs to step in and make the call, otherwise why is he even there?

 

[Bruins1233]

I have thought this for some time now, ever since that press conference when Charlie continually turned to Cam for comments. Neely has a strong personality and I think he dominates Charlie.

I also especially didn't like Charlie's comments that it was up to Cam & DS to decide about the coach. If those two are deadlocked on any issue I think Charlie needs to step in and make the call, otherwise why is he even there?

There is a chain of command, the Owner doesn't fire the coach. Just as the President doesn't fire your mailman.

 

[Kaoz]

It all started with the mis-identification of the core back in the lockout year, basing rather large decisions on a lockout shortened season that immediately bit us in the ass. Add to that some pretty ****** player evaluation on the staffs part and you have the perfect **** storm that we see here.

For a team that so apparently values the intangibles, we sure crap our pants when it comes to recognizing it on our own team.

 

[rocketdan9]

A shot at Sweeney/Neely? And some of the players?

Claude Julien: Bruins Don't Have Skill Level To Survive Average Games | Bruins Overtime Live ...

https://www.google.ca/amp/nhl.nbcsp...ediocre-game/amp/?client=ms-android-rogers-ca

 

[Hamilton Brian]

A shot at Sweeney/Neely? And some of the players?

Claude Julien: Bruins Don't Have Skill Level To Survive Average Games | Bruins Overtime Live ...

https://www.google.ca/amp/nhl.nbcsp...ediocre-game/amp/?client=ms-android-rogers-ca

After reading this last night, I think it's less a shot at the players than at the management team. And he's right.

Remember when Adam Oates said relatively the same thing in 97 and O'Connell tore the A off his sweater and promptly shipped he, Ranford, and Tocchet to Washington? Oates was right. That team stunk up to high heaven. Oates didn't put that team together.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

I'm finally coming around to the idea of letting Claude go, but more for Claude actually. He deserves a fresh start and he deserves to not be under Neely's thumb.

I also think that great coaches can sometimes be in a bad situation. This situation now is too toxic for Claude. Neely would have to be gone for this to work, and since Neely isn't going anywhere obviously Claude has to. Looking at the full circle that Torts took from Tampa all the way to Columbus now makes me believe that it's not always about the quality of the coach, it's often a far more dynamic/fluid situation than that. Claude will find a better solution.

Plus to be honest, I could really go for 2 years of a horrible coach and 2 top 5 picks. We need it.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Agree 100%.

There is a difference between a disappointing exit and an early exit.

Take 2008-09. That was a very good team. The lost to in my opinion inferior Carolina team. You could make the argument that was an early exit for the caliber of that team vs. their 2nd round opponent.

Contrast that to 1998-99. Made the playoffs with a decent team, 1st series win since 1994, lost to the eventual Eastern finalist Buffalo in the 2nd round. A disappointing exit but that team got about as far as expected so I wouldn't call that an early exit.

I wouldn't even call the loss in 2007-08 to the Habs an early exit and it was Round 1.

IMO, the 2009 and 2012 teams were the two that didn't get as far as I thought they should have. I don't even include 2014, because despite a President's Trophy, that team was above-average at best.

I'm sorry, but a 2nd round exit to the Habs, after the regular season the B's had, was early and disappointing. Kind of like the Cowboys this year in the NFL. When you are the best team in whatever pro league you play in during a particular year, losing in the 2nd round is "early".

 

[JAD]

I want Julien gone for one reason. As much as they say they love the coach I don't see any of his vets playing with an urgency to help him. That can't be ignored. The top guys are way too comfortable. Make no mistake it's either Julien or the core that is rotten right now and no matter what you do if that doesn't change the team will never move forward

As I have stated overall I think CJ is a very good coach, but you hit on one of several things that do concern me. Then again I would probably find things that concern me with any coach.

However, the lack of urgency or emotional play, I may be wrong, but I believe the team for years has been instructed, trained, taught, whatever - to keep their emotions in check, under control. When Claude first got here the team use to take a number of retaliation penalties, especially against Montreal. I believe they have been taught not to respond as often and turn away from all the crap and let the refs and league discipline offenders. Just keep your emotions under control play the system, just play your game, don't get caught up in all the other stuff. A lot of that has to do with changes in the league but I also believe they have been instructed not to take (retaliation) unnecessary penalties. So they play the game not getting too high or getting too low just even keel.

Don't get me wrong, there is much to be said for playing a controlled game you want to keep your best players on the ice not in the box, but there is also a time and a place to play with emotion. After all hockey is an emotional game.

Case in point - finals against Vancouver there was the hit on Horton and Recchi sticking his finger in Burrows face and all the Bruins feeding on that emotion. CJ scolded the team afterwards for antagonizing with the finger sticking, but I believe it was that emotion and anger that enabled Boston to raise the level of their game and go on and win the series. Yes, much easier to do in a seven game series than through 82 games.

It is a fine line as you don't want your team to take stupid penalties, but you also want them to play with emotion and creativity. CJ is very strict as to what he expects and will allow to take place on the ice and the players know it. It's all about staying controlled and staying within the system. I believe that is why it appears so often that the players seem to lack urgency. I believe they believe they are trying and playing with emotion/urgency they've just been taught to control it.

I don't know, just my ramblings.

 

[Braunbaer]

AS much as I think several players are way too complacent under Julien, the main problem lies in the managment.

And it begins with delusional belief that this team was good enough to make a "deep playoff run".

 

[GloryDaze4877]

After reading this last night, I think it's less a shot at the players than at the management team. And he's right.

Remember when Adam Oates said relatively the same thing in 97 and O'Connell tore the A off his sweater and promptly shipped he, Ranford, and Tocchet to Washington? Oates was right. That team stunk up to high heaven. Oates didn't put that team together.

When a coach starts blaming his players for the inability to win, even if it is the case (which I don't agree with), it's time for him to go.

 

[JEM28]

Plus to be honest, I could really go for 2 years of a horrible coach and 2 top 5 picks. We need it.

I'm not sure I've ever thought to this extreme but agree with you on biting the bullet and taking our lumps. The half-a$$ "go for it" route...by adding the likes of Stempniak and Lyles for instance...kills me.

Frustrating thing for me is that 2 years ago was the time to start thinking to the future.

 

[Therick67]

I'm not sure I've ever thought to this extreme but agree with you on biting the bullet and taking our lumps. The half-a$$ "go for it" route...by adding the likes of Stempniak and Lyles for instance...kills me.

Frustrating thing for me is that 2 years ago was the time to start thinking to the future.

Yup. On Friday they were talking about this on Sirius NHL. It's very difficult to rebuild and contend at the same time

It sure feels like they've wasted time and resources trying to make the playoffs.

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

I'm not sure I've ever thought to this extreme but agree with you on biting the bullet and taking our lumps. The half-a$$ "go for it" route...by adding the likes of Stempniak and Lyles for instance...kills me.

Frustrating thing for me is that 2 years ago was the time to start thinking to the future.

Yup I keep calling it the old Leafs model. The sick part is Neely and Sweeney are old enough to recall how the Leafs tried at it before. All of a sudden the Leafs FINALLY decided to build it from the group up. Now look at their core. We're still using that old outdated model of plugging holes with old men and trying as hard as we can for 8th. It's gross.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I have these friends--I call em the voodoo rocks

the Name Gallant is circling the Bruins

the question he has is it the coach or management?

Once bitten twice shiy

 

[Gordoff]

As I have stated overall I think CJ is a very good coach, but you hit on one of several things that do concern me. Then again I would probably find things that concern me with any coach.

However, the lack of urgency or emotional play, I may be wrong, but I believe the team for years has been instructed, trained, taught, whatever - to keep their emotions in check, under control. When Claude first got here the team use to take a number of retaliation penalties, especially against Montreal. I believe they have been taught not to respond as often and turn away from all the crap and let the refs and league discipline offenders. Just keep your emotions under control play the system, just play your game, don't get caught up in all the other stuff. A lot of that has to do with changes in the league but I also believe they have been instructed not to take (retaliation) unnecessary penalties. So they play the game not getting too high or getting too low just even keel.

Don't get me wrong, there is much to be said for playing a controlled game you want to keep your best players on the ice not in the box, but there is also a time and a place to play with emotion. After all hockey is an emotional game.

Case in point - finals against Vancouver there was the hit on Horton and Recchi sticking his finger in Burrows face and all the Bruins feeding on that emotion. CJ scolded the team afterwards for antagonizing with the finger sticking, but I believe it was that emotion and anger that enabled Boston to raise the level of their game and go on and win the series. Yes, much easier to do in a seven game series than through 82 games.

It is a fine line as you don't want your team to take stupid penalties, but you also want them to play with emotion and creativity. CJ is very strict as to what he expects and will allow to take place on the ice and the players know it. It's all about staying controlled and staying within the system. I believe that is why it appears so often that the players seem to lack urgency. I believe they believe they are trying and playing with emotion/urgency they've just been taught to control it.

I don't know, just my ramblings.

Pretty astute ramblings!

 

[rocketdan9]

AS much as I think several players are way too complacent under Julien, the main problem lies in the managment.

And it begins with delusional belief that this team was good enough to make a "deep playoff run".

Seguin and hamiltom losses hurt

But this is very much a CJ problem

Krejci, bergeron, marchand , backes are all expensive players..

He has no idea how to get pasta off a scoring funk right now

He has no idea as to how to make the PP work (how many seasons now?)

He says this team lacks high end skills/talent?

 

[Spanky185]

Plenty of people credit Chiarelli and Claude with turning the franchise around, and rightly so because they did. But both PC and CJ were outsiders who brought new sets of eyes and new vision to team. Yet now when the team could use new sets of eyes again there's backlash against it. And I say eyes because I would have liked to see someone from outside replace Peter, so if Sweeney gets the axe I'm OK with that too.

 

[BruinDust]

I'm sorry, but a 2nd round exit to the Habs, after the regular season the B's had, was early and disappointing. Kind of like the Cowboys this year in the NFL. When you are the best team in whatever pro league you play in during a particular year, losing in the 2nd round is "early".

I can see your point.

Maybe I just wasn't all that impressed with that team. Bartkowski/Mezsaros on the 2nd pair. Florek/Fraser on the Soderberg/Eriksson line. The team got real hot late in the season and went on a 10-12 game run which propelled them to a President's Trophy. it was a good team, but I thought it was a step back from the teams of 2011-2013.

 

[Fenway]

Claude is running practice today so I don't expect anything to change his status will happen today. Maybe during the ASG break but I am beginning to think they will let him finish the year and then go from there.

Looks like Claude may give Hayes another shot tomorrow.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

All he'll need to do is have his phone charged.

Islanders will hire him five minutes after he gets canned.

One thing that really struck me about that TSN radio interview with Pierre Maguire, was when why mentioned that Julien would be hired within days of being let go by the Bruins. I can't remember who said it, but it was argued that perhaps if the Bruins fired Julien they would be "doing him a favour."

I don't disagree with this, which is why I said what I did. If the Bruins are actively talking to unemployed coaches about a potential vacancy (which we've all heard they have), if I was Julien, I'd be doing the same with other organizations.

I've been pretty damn supportive of this management team AND of Julien. I didn't believe the team was bad enough to be "sellers" this year and I was as far from the opinion of "blow it up" as you can be.

But in the light of the current cowardly silence from front office, I've changed my opinion. It's no coincidence that the current losing streak comes on the heels of this controversy. And now? I'm not sure there IS an efficient fix.

 

[northeastern]

No, NHL coaches are praying for the GM's not to trade for those players.
Maybe C Miller is a little more attractive. The other 2 are what we call donkeys with low IQ.

I disagree about Spooner he's absolutely shown his skill and potential.

 

[Absurdity]

One thing that really struck me about that TSN radio interview with Pierre Maguire, was when why mentioned that Julien would be hired within days of being let go by the Bruins. I can't remember who said it, but it was argued that perhaps if the Bruins fired Julien they would be "doing him a favour."

I don't disagree with this, which is why I said what I did. If the Bruins are actively talking to unemployed coaches about a potential vacancy (which we've all heard they have), if I was Julien, I'd be doing the same with other organizations.

I've been pretty damn supportive of this management team AND of Julien. I didn't believe the team was bad enough to be "sellers" this year and I was as far from the opinion of "blow it up" as you can be.

But in the light of the current cowardly silence from front office, I've changed my opinion. It's no coincidence that the current losing streak comes on the heels of this controversy. And now? I'm not sure there IS an efficient fix.

They should have made a decision on Claude's future last Saturday just like the majority of fans said here. The team was already struggling, and to go along with that, they have had the controversy surrounding Claude hovering above their heads for weeks. I would not be surprised if the Bruins lose the next two games against Detroit and Pittsburgh. The best thing this team can do is sell at the deadline (shorten the untouchable list) and tank no matter who is coach. I have very little confidence that will happen though.