Management Claude Julien III - the final countdown?(ALL talk here)

[bwunderlich]

For the rest of the season, there is no one i'd rather see behind the bench.

CJ has been hung out to dry by pro scouting (snicker), but also by the core of this team. Bergy and DK? the terrible awful Spooner is projected to score more points than Bergy. Is this season an aberration or have they both hit the quick decline.

Where CJ can potentially save his job is ironically, with Spooner. Stick him on 3rd line Center and since neither Top center can get Pasta going, put the two kids together and saddle them with one of Backes or Belesky. The season is likely toast and if Spooner is too, increase his trade value any way you can.

 

[Blowfish]

For the rest of the season, there is no one i'd rather see behind the bench.

CJ has been hung out to dry by pro scouting (snicker), but also by the core of this team. Bergy and DK? the terrible awful Spooner is projected to score more points than Bergy. Is this season an aberration or have they both hit the quick decline.

Where CJ can potentially save his job is ironically, with Spooner. Stick him on 3rd line Center and since neither Top center can get Pasta going, put the two kids together and saddle them with one of Backes or Belesky. The season is likely toast and if Spooner is too, increase his trade value any way you can.

So Claude is not to blame? This team is robotic. It's been like this for years.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

It really is. Can you imagine doing all Julien has for the Bruins franchise, and having to answer questions like this, with neither Neely nor Sweeney anywhere to be found.

I've always liked those two and still believe they are decent guys, but to let Claude twist in the wind, and then have to address rumors while they hide, is classless and weak.

They certainly learned at the knee of the master in that regard. This really *is* like the 90s. Bloody KPD is even covering the club again!

Erg. Ugh. I feel like Bruce Hurst."Get me out of this Sodom and Gomorrah."

I find this post a touch contradictory.

So, it's not ok that Clode has to deal with rumors and tough questions after "all he's done" for this franchise, but it's ok for Neely to deal with the same after essentially giving his knee and hip for this organization? I don't live in Boston, but doesn't Neely make a regular radio appearance on a local station? If not, he just made a comment on the state of the team last week.

I'm not entirely sure who needs to leave for things to improve?


I don't believe Sweeney has been given enough time yet.

Maybe Cam has worn out his welcome and is not helping the process?

I'm pretty sure Clode needs to go.


I don't get all this twisting in the wind BS though. It's part of the deal when you are a coaching a professional sport, Clode is being compensated well, and will continue to be compensated well when/if the B's decide to replace him. I want the administration to do what's best for the team going forward, whether that means firing Clode tomorrow, at the end of the season, or not at all. I don't believe it's necessary for them to pander to fans and media by addressing any of the rumors floating around. Even if Sweeney and Neely came out and gave Clode the vote of confidence (or not), will it change a thing?

I think Clode is a very good coach and probably will be again with a different team. That doesn't mean he's the right guy for the B's at this juncture. I have made the comparison to Francona before and believe it applies perfectly. Successful coach who has just been in one place for too long.

 

[Salem13]

I don't live in Boston, but doesn't Neely make a regular radio appearance on a local station?

He has not since April where on the Bruins flagship station completely lost it and swore at the hosts.

As a local I can tell you management has been unacceptably near silent.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

He has not since April where on the Bruins flagship station completely lost it and swore at the hosts.

As a local I can tell you management has been unacceptably near silent.

He did?

That's pretty funny.

At any rate, the rest of my post still applies. I don't think it's management's "job" to address rumors and even when they do, people don't believe them anyway.

 

[ODAAT]

I find this post a touch contradictory.

So, it's not ok that Clode has to deal with rumors and tough questions after "all he's done" for this franchise, but it's ok for Neely to deal with the same after essentially giving his knee and hip for this organization? I don't live in Boston, but doesn't Neely make a regular radio appearance on a local station? If not, he just made a comment on the state of the team last week.

I'm not entirely sure who needs to leave for things to improve?


I don't believe Sweeney has been given enough time yet.

Maybe Cam has worn out his welcome and is not helping the process?

I'm pretty sure Clode needs to go.


I don't get all this twisting in the wind BS though. It's part of the deal when you are a coaching a professional sport, Clode is being compensated well, and will continue to be compensated well when/if the B's decide to replace him. I want the administration to do what's best for the team going forward, whether that means firing Clode tomorrow, at the end of the season, or not at all. I don't believe it's necessary for them to pander to fans and media by addressing any of the rumors floating around. Even if Sweeney and Neely came out and gave Clode the vote of confidence (or not), will it change a thing?

I think Clode is a very good coach and probably will be again with a different team. That doesn't mean he's the right guy for the B's at this juncture. I have made the comparison to Francona before and believe it applies perfectly. Successful coach who has just been in one place for too long.

I feel for the next coach who has to come in to this mess and how long it will take fans to hammer him when little if nothing changes as far as results go

 

[Blowfish]

I feel for the next coach who has to come in to this mess and how long it will take fans to hammer him when little if nothing changes as far as results go

I'm in favour of letting this coach go now or end of season. start fresh next season. This team is done. Take advantage of trade deadline deals. Retolll with Fresh everything. Coach team and management have already wasted this season

 

[ODAAT]

I'm in favour of letting this coach go now or end of season. start fresh next season. This team is done. Take advantage of trade deadline deals. Retolll with Fresh everything. Coach team and management have already wasted this season

I`m almost thinking Claude feels the same, probably sitting with his wife this morning over coffee asking "when is this going to end"?

Julien will have his pick of teams to coach if he chooses to get right back into it when canned.

Despite the opinions here, he`s a well respected coach that is highly regarded around the league from all I gather

Sad day for this fan when it happens, not that it isn`t time but this man played a huge role in bringing this fan some of the best times as a Bruins fan. Yep, some ups and downs, but a Cup win, another final, and despite some early exits, the team was competitive and in the conversation for the cup, can`t say I felt that way in the decade prior to his arrival where I hid my Bruins swag deep in the basement out of sheer embarrassment

The way Neely/Jacobs and/or Sweeney are handling this, IMO, doesn`t appear to be a great way to attract a quality candidate(s) in the future....if they even give a rats arse about that

 

[BNHL]

I`m almost thinking Claude feels the same, probably sitting with his wife this morning over coffee asking "when is this going to end"?

Julien will have his pick of teams to coach if he chooses to get right back into it when canned.

Despite the opinions here, he`s a well respected coach that is highly regarded around the league from all I gather

Sad day for this fan when it happens, not that it isn`t time but this man played a huge role in bringing this fan some of the best times as a Bruins fan. Yep, some ups and downs, but a Cup win, another final, and despite some early exits, the team was competitive and in the conversation for the cup, can`t say I felt that way in the decade prior to his arrival where I hid my Bruins swag deep in the basement out of sheer embarrassment

The way Neely/Jacobs and/or Sweeney are handling this, IMO, doesn`t appear to be a great way to attract a quality candidate(s) in the future....if they even give a rats arse about that

Other than 2 years,every year was an early exit or a DNQ.

 

[BruinDust]

Other than 2 years,every year was an early exit or a DNQ.

Getting to the 2nd round is an early exit?

 

[ODAAT]

I'm in favour of letting this coach go now or end of season. start fresh next season. This team is done. Take advantage of trade deadline deals. Retolll with Fresh everything. Coach team and management have already wasted this season

not sure there`s much to take advantage of during the trade deadline, most in recent years have produced little in the way of excitement

I cut my losses now, identify teams who are looking to add pieces to deep rosters with some depth like a guy like Moore/Nash, some back end experience with a guy like Quaider/ K Miller

While they have done little to excite here in Boston, those types of players, on deep teams, can be valuable. I haven`t a clue what any would garner for a return but that`s what I do

 

[ODAAT]

Other than 2 years,every year was an early exit or a DNQ.

for this fan, his two first round exits would be considered "early", and one of those was in 2007/08 with a very average team who performed well against the Habs

Was this team expected to go deeper in other years? Sure, hardly the first team where expectations were greater but falling short

How`s this, from 2000 to Julien`s arrival

4 DNQs

3 first round losses...sexy

 

[Fenian24]

I`m almost thinking Claude feels the same, probably sitting with his wife this morning over coffee asking "when is this going to end"?

Julien will have his pick of teams to coach if he chooses to get right back into it when canned.

Despite the opinions here, he`s a well respected coach that is highly regarded around the league from all I gather

Sad day for this fan when it happens, not that it isn`t time but this man played a huge role in bringing this fan some of the best times as a Bruins fan. Yep, some ups and downs, but a Cup win, another final, and despite some early exits, the team was competitive and in the conversation for the cup, can`t say I felt that way in the decade prior to his arrival where I hid my Bruins swag deep in the basement out of sheer embarrassment

The way Neely/Jacobs and/or Sweeney are handling this, IMO, doesn`t appear to be a great way to attract a quality candidate(s) in the future....if they even give a rats arse about that

I agree, the only good part is we don't look like Florida with the Gallant debacle.....yet

 

[TheBigBadB]

He did?

That's pretty funny.

At any rate, the rest of my post still applies. I don't think it's management's "job" to address rumors and even when they do, people don't believe them anyway.

It kind of is there job though. Talking to the media is like talking to the fans. We crave news about our team, when they go silent they aren't just shunning media they are shunning fans that pay good money to keep them in business.

 

[Fenian24]

Getting to the 2nd round is an early exit?

When you have a team supposedly built to contend for a cup, yes second round exits are early.

 

[smithformeragent]

Getting to the 2nd round is an early exit?

As someone who grew up watching the 90s Bruins and the consistent one and dones (save the year they beat the Hurricanes), in my opinion round two is not an early exit.

 

[TheBigBadB]

I want Julien gone for one reason. As much as they say they love the coach I don't see any of his vets playing with an urgency to help him. That can't be ignored. The top guys are way too comfortable. Make no mistake it's either Julien or the core that is rotten right now and no matter what you do if that doesn't change the team will never move forward

 

[smack66]

So Claude is not to blame? This team is robotic. It's been like this for years.

I think claude is far from perfect but to those who want to fire him I ask? show me the other teams you wouldn't trade existing top 7 D's with. There is no doubt this team has one of the worst D in the league.

 

[Kate08]

I want Julien gone for one reason. As much as they say they love the coach I don't see any of his vets playing with an urgency to help him. That can't be ignored. The top guys are way too comfortable. Make no mistake it's either Julien or the core that is rotten right now and no matter what you do if that doesn't change the team will never move forward

Are they not playing with urgency, or are they simply not that good?

On one hand, I've seen more fire in Bergeron the last week or so than I have all season. On the other, you have Rask pulling himself from a game because he's not feeling well.

I think it's really easy to mistake lack of skill for lack of urgency, and it's an important distinction to make.

 

[Blowfish]

I want Julien gone for one reason. As much as they say they love the coach I don't see any of his vets playing with an urgency to help him. That can't be ignored. The top guys are way too comfortable. Make no mistake it's either Julien or the core that is rotten right now and no matter what you do if that doesn't change the team will never move forward

How much does spooner morrow and c miller want to play for this coach. They must be praying for A trade

 

[chizzler]

If the owners make a move, the earlier the better. It would help to get prepared for offseason. Draft, trades, coaching etc.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

I think claude is far from perfect but to those who want to fire him I ask? show me the other teams you wouldn't trade existing top 7 D's with. There is no doubt this team has one of the worst D in the league.

Toronto?

 

[DaveFromNB]

Personally I think the only positive to replacing Julien would be that it opens up the slate to wholesale changes in the team, which I think is past due. A chance to determine what identity they want for the team, and get a coach and players to facilitate that. I don't think he is a bad coach relative to others, but sometimes you need to shake the whole thing up.

Problem right now is what top coach is available to replace him? I think they just run the course with Claude, be sellers at the deadline, and remove him at the end of the (playoff-less) season and compete for other coaches who have become available.

 

[Blowfish]

Toronto?

Yup. Pretty exciting team to watch



Am

 

[BruinDust]

As someone who grew up watching the 90s Bruins and the consistent one and dones (save the year they beat the Hurricanes), in my opinion round two is not an early exit.

Agree 100%.

There is a difference between a disappointing exit and an early exit.

Take 2008-09. That was a very good team. The lost to in my opinion inferior Carolina team. You could make the argument that was an early exit for the caliber of that team vs. their 2nd round opponent.

Contrast that to 1998-99. Made the playoffs with a decent team, 1st series win since 1994, lost to the eventual Eastern finalist Buffalo in the 2nd round. A disappointing exit but that team got about as far as expected so I wouldn't call that an early exit.

I wouldn't even call the loss in 2007-08 to the Habs an early exit and it was Round 1.

IMO, the 2009 and 2012 teams were the two that didn't get as far as I thought they should have. I don't even include 2014, because despite a President's Trophy, that team was above-average at best.