Management Claude Julien III - the final countdown?(ALL talk here)

[Ten Thousand Hours]

I actually don't think Spooner, Moore, Czarnik is a terrible 3rd line. But the current 3rd line is awful even for a 4th line and will get 3rd line minutes.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Is there no one in Providence atl least worth a look?

 

[BergyWho37]

Run those points up Krug and Krech your not out of the minus yet..

30pts -10

 

[Fenway]

Sean McIndoe writes


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/goes-brown-weekend-wrap-whats-wrong-st-louis-blues/

Would it be the right move? It's hard to imagine the Bruins getting an upgrade out of a change now; there's nobody on the open market who comes close to matching Julien's resume. And in the bigger picture, it's not like they're really underachieving. This team was expected to be a fringe playoff team, and they are who we thought they were.

But all that said, sometimes a front office just decides that it's time for a change. If the Bruins can't snap out of it soon, Sweeney may decide that the time has arrived. And if history tells us anything, Julien dropping a "we don't have enough talent" soundbite into yesterday's post-game comments won't help.

Either way, here's hoping that Sweeney makes a decision soon. Letting Julien twist in the wind for the next two months seems like the worst path of all.

 

[Danton Heineken]

Worst third line ever assembled and I'm not even being my general over dramatic self.

And Claude wonders why they can't score. Spooner and Czarnik must be truly hated/terrible to play behind those wings.

Worse than Mowers-Primeau-Donovan?

 

[Danton Heineken]

Is there no one in Providence atl least worth a look?

Kevin Dean is.

 

[doubleminor138]

Worse than Mowers-Primeau-Donovan?

lol, was that a third line or a fourth line? I get confused, but no matter how you slice it...that one was bad.

 

[LouJersey]

Worse than Mowers-Primeau-Donovan?

Yes. Nash makes primeau look like the good brother.

 

[Kate08]

Just to clarify, it was a migraine that Rask had.

As someone who unfortunately gets them, they do come on that quick, they are brutal and there is no playing through that if you wanted to, especially if your vision is affected.

I get it. I have had them too, and I feel for him. They can be miserable. But, it's also not the first time he's taken himself out of a game situation for an illness, and it's a bit of a disturbing pattern.

Not everyone can be Bergeron playing through a punctured lung and broken rib or whatever the hell that ridiculous situation was in the Finals in '13, but when your $7m man is taking himself out of game situations because of illnesses (not injury, mind you, but illnesses), I think it's fair to raise an eyebrow.

 

[Number8]

To those who think Julien is defense only and kills the offense:

Here are League Rankings -- note what happens to GF when the defensive core is badly lacking.

'10/'11 -- 8th GF and 3rd GA
'11/'12 -- 2nd GF and 5th GA
'12/'13 -- 11th GF and 3rd GA
'13/'14 -- 3rd GF and 2nd GA
'14/'15 -- 23rd GF and 11th GA
'15/'16 -- 5th GF and 19th GA
'16/'17 (to date) -- 21st GF and 13th GA

Looks to me that when Management started trading key defense pieces for futures (not necessarily criticizing just saying that we removed top 4 D for draft picks) our defense struggled as did our offense.

Claude relies on guys like Nash and Schaller and Moore to offset growing pains of guys like Spooner and Czarnik -- and to deal with the fact that our defense needs help.

You can think it's time for Claude to go, fine. But let's not make up crap that's not true. The guy can coach a team very defensively, very offensively, and both if given the resources.

To suggest otherwise is to believe in premise of "alternative facts". Cute spin but Dog S*** is still Dog S*** no matter what you call it.

 

[Hali33]

I get it. I have had them too, and I feel for him. They can be miserable. But, it's also not the first time he's taken himself out of a game situation for an illness, and it's a bit of a disturbing pattern.

Not everyone can be Bergeron playing through a punctured lung and broken rib or whatever the hell that ridiculous situation was in the Finals in '13, but when your $7m man is taking himself out of game situations because of illnesses (not injury, mind you, but illnesses), I think it's fair to raise an eyebrow.

I get it and he's opened himself up to the criticism. I honestly wasn't sure if you knew the reason cause there's been other unexplained illnesses.

But if it was indeed a migraine (which he had before, exactly like this) it's not a reflection of his drive to win in this scenario. Forget the headache and nausea, he legit wouldn't be able to see the puck if he gets the visual **** like I do.

 

[Kate08]

I get it and he's opened himself up to the criticism. I honestly wasn't sure if you knew the reason cause there's been other unexplained illnesses.

But if it was indeed a migraine (which he had before, exactly like this) it's not a reflection of his drive to win in this scenario. Forget the headache and nausea, he legit wouldn't be able to see the puck if he gets the visual **** like I do.

Also have to assume the Bruins medical staff also has access to stronger medication that you or I would to treat a migraine. It could truly be ****** timing, and I understand how debilitating they can be. I really do. I don't want to seem insensitive. If he had not missed games in the past, I probably wouldn't bat an eyelash.

 

[Spanky185]

I get it and he's opened himself up to the criticism. I honestly wasn't sure if you knew the reason cause there's been other unexplained illnesses.

But if it was indeed a migraine (which he had before, exactly like this) it's not a reflection of his drive to win in this scenario. Forget the headache and nausea, he legit wouldn't be able to see the puck if he gets the visual **** like I do.

I get cluster headaches, feels like I'm being stabbed through my eye into my brain.

 

[Fenway]

Sportsnet in Canada discussed the Julian situation an hour ago

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hc-noon-julien-hot-seat-boston/

They speculate that Cam has been told if you fire Claude you are the coach.

Cam knows that if he gets fired in Boston it would be very hard for him to get another job in hockey and certainly not at the level he has now.

 

[Hali33]

I get cluster headaches, feels like I'm being stabbed through my eye into my brain.

It's great fun, I also enjoy when I'm flying down the highway and one eye starts doing an impression of a kaleidoscope.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I can't imagine Cam is worried about getting fired, at least not from a financial standpoint. It would probably sting to fail b/c he is such a competitive guy but I think he does this job more out of love of the game & the Bruins than out of need for a job. With that said I think pride will cause him to hang on to the job as long as he can.

 

[Hali33]

Also have to assume the Bruins medical staff also has access to stronger medication that you or I would to treat a migraine. It could truly be ****** timing, and I understand how debilitating they can be. I really do. I don't want to seem insensitive. If he had not missed games in the past, I probably wouldn't bat an eyelash.

I gotcha, and I know there's a history and rumors around these little illnesses. But if it was a migraine, which it looked like to me right away, I can't hold it against him cause they are brutal and I don't think even the nicest meds would have kicked in quick enough to get him back and salvage the game.

 

[Therick67]

Sportsnet in Canada discussed the Julian situation an hour ago

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hc-noon-julien-hot-seat-boston/

They speculate that Cam has been told if you fire Claude you are the coach.

Cam knows that if he gets fired in Boston it would be very hard for him to get another job in hockey and certainly not at the level he has now.

So that's coming from JJ. Not sure why that would be a mandate for any other reason than financial.

Sounds to me, if that's the case - Cam really isn't in charge despite Charlie saying firing the coach is Cam's call.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

To those who think Julien is defense only and kills the offense:

Here are League Rankings -- note what happens to GF when the defensive core is badly lacking.

'10/'11 -- 8th GF and 3rd GA
'11/'12 -- 2nd GF and 5th GA
'12/'13 -- 11th GF and 3rd GA
'13/'14 -- 3rd GF and 2nd GA
'14/'15 -- 23rd GF and 11th GA
'15/'16 -- 5th GF and 19th GA
'16/'17 (to date) -- 21st GF and 13th GA

Looks to me that when Management started trading key defense pieces for futures (not necessarily criticizing just saying that we removed top 4 D for draft picks) our defense struggled as did our offense.

Claude relies on guys like Nash and Schaller and Moore to offset growing pains of guys like Spooner and Czarnik -- and to deal with the fact that our defense needs help.

You can think it's time for Claude to go, fine. But let's not make up crap that's not true. The guy can coach a team very defensively, very offensively, and both if given the resources.

To suggest otherwise is to believe in premise of "alternative facts". Cute spin but Dog S*** is still Dog S*** no matter what you call it.

Moving Boychuk and then Hamilton and not replacing them (or thinking Adam McQuaid or Kevan Miller were the answers) are a big reason why the team is where it is.

Carlo comes in as a teenager alleviates only some of what they need; but they've needed defensemen since Boychuk was moved with not much in the pipeline that is ready in the 2016-2017 season. I do think we have hope in the future, which I hope we don't give up parts of that to bandaid the broken present.

 

[EverettMike]

I too get migraines. They are paralyzing.

But I can't ever remember any other playing taking himself out of games or missing them because of illness more than Rask. Is that recency bias from me, or does that feel right to others?

 

[Number8]

Sportsnet in Canada discussed the Julian situation an hour ago

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hc-noon-julien-hot-seat-boston/

They speculate that Cam has been told if you fire Claude you are the coach.

Cam knows that if he gets fired in Boston it would be very hard for him to get another job in hockey and certainly not at the level he has now.

If that's true -- then that is a truly bizarre approach by Jacobs and can only suggest a few scenarios:

1) Jacob's believes in Claude and is telling Neely if he wants to fire him, then he's going to embarrass Neely publicly by making him coach. Bizarre and kind of crappy. If you disagree so vehemently, then fire Neely for having an approach you so strongly disagree with.

2) Jacob's believes Julien must go, but is angry he was talked into re-upping Claude and is now saying "I won't pay the extra money for a new Coach". I can get being angry but that means he's willing to continue go with a Coach he doesn't believe in or put a novice in for a Coach. That's no way to run a professional hockey team.

3) None of it is true. Then why let a rumor that is getting widespread traction continue to have legs?

We can discuss and agree or disagree that Claude should go. We can discuss and agree or disagree that Sweeney should go. I have opinions but I can honestly see two sides to both coins.

However, anyone who want to say that Top Brass (JJ, CJ, HS, and CN) aren't one embarrassingly poor excuse for a management team is living in a different universe than me.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Also have to assume the Bruins medical staff also has access to stronger medication that you or I would to treat a migraine. It could truly be ****** timing, and I understand how debilitating they can be. I really do. I don't want to seem insensitive. If he had not missed games in the past, I probably wouldn't bat an eyelash.

If he does get migraines they can effect your eye sight,I get them occasionally and the way it effects my vision I find worse than the actual headache .There is no way he could play still ,I have to close my eye and lie down in a dark room till it passes.

 

[Hali33]

I too get migraines. They are paralyzing.

But I can't ever remember any other playing taking himself out of games or missing them because of illness more than Rask. Is that recency bias from me, or does that feel right to others?

I probably shouldn't be speaking for his migraines like I know what's actually going on. There could be someone weird going on there but it just what mine are like.

 

[Fenway]

So that's coming from JJ. Not sure why that would be a mandate for any other reason than financial.

Sounds to me, if that's the case - Cam really isn't in charge despite Charlie saying firing the coach is Cam's call.

Nobody is going to agree to coach in Boston without a guarantee for next year unless it is someone who is desperate for one more chance in the NHL. (Robbie Ftorek??? Dave Lewis???)

Let's be real about this. 2 years Charlie was given the keys and the fancy title but Jeremy Jacobs is still the owner of this team. As long as he is around he will always have the final say.

 

[Number8]

I can't imagine Cam is worried about getting fired, at least not from a financial standpoint. It would probably sting to fail b/c he is such a competitive guy but I think he does this job more out of love of the game & the Bruins than out of need for a job. With that said I think pride will cause him to hang on to the job as long as he can.

Cam Neely really doesn't bring much to the job of team President other than passion, intensity, love for the game, love for the Bruins, and good will with the fans (at outset -- it's now clearly eroding). Those facets of his personality made us all love him as a player.

However, the player I loved would not let ownership say something that was patently out of line with reality or what he truly believed (JJ's gem that we expect a deep playoff run). His intensity would force him to say "look your the boss, but I disagree vehemently and won't say that I don't". That would have forced JJ to rethink his idiotic statement or tell Neely to hit the road -- and the player I grew up idolizing would have dealt with whichever came to pass.

So one is left to think that Cam either believes the crap that JJ is spewing about being able to win now, or he doesn't but doesn't have the fight necessary to call BS on what we ALL knew was unrealistic BS at the time. Anyone with even a semblance of knowledge about the game could see that at the time and obviously now.

Again, given that all Neely really brings to the table is his fight/passion (in this role, certainly) neither scenario should give anyone a good feeling.