Classic Wrestling Discussion: Part III & Wrestler Poll

[The Marquis]

Do you have any recommendation for a David Von Erich match? I've only seen a little of him, and mostly in tags.


Do you have any recommendation for a David Von Erich match? I've only seen a little of him, and mostly in tags.

Vs Ric Flair at Christmas Star Wars 83.

Vs Harley Race in 1981, not sure the date.

He had a super good match against Terry Gordy sometime in early 1983 at one of the Star Wars events.

 

[Roo Returns]

Although the Northeast was a WWF territory and WWWF before that, I was fortunate as a kid to have access to PWInsider and the Apter Mags at local convenience stores and also WCCW, JCP/WCW, and AWA were all available to watch.

I loved WCCW. The Von Erichs, Eric Embry. Great promotion.

 

[Unholy Diver]

been watching some random Royal rumbles on the Peacock the last week or two, just bouncing around and I have to say 2005 must have been one of the worst group of participants in Rumble history, I must have been on a wrestling hiatus at the time as I don't recall such a terrible roster as that one

 

[Emperoreddy]

been watching some random Royal rumbles on the Peacock the last week or two, just bouncing around and I have to say 2005 must have been one of the worst group of participants in Rumble history, I must have been on a wrestling hiatus at the time as I don't recall such a terrible roster as that one

The 40 man Rumble remains one of the worst ever with an awful winner.

 

[boredmale]

been watching some random Royal rumbles on the Peacock the last week or two, just bouncing around and I have to say 2005 must have been one of the worst group of participants in Rumble history, I must have been on a wrestling hiatus at the time as I don't recall such a terrible roster as that one

The one that always stands out to me as the worst was when Shawn Michaels won his first Rumble in 1995(I believe). The people in the rumble left a lot of be desired for starters then they also changed the rules to 1 minute between people entering

 

[Megahab]

The one that always stands out to me as the worst was when Shawn Michaels won his first Rumble in 1995(I believe). The people in the rumble left a lot of be desired for starters then they also changed the rules to 1 minute between people entering

1995 is easily the worst Rumble post 1990. If I'm remembering right, the top names in the match were Michaels, Bulldog, Luger and Owen Hart. All of them were midcarders at this point. Owen only lasted 5 seconds.
Also the match was only like 40 minutes because of the quick entrances.

The 4 biggest stars in the WWF at the time were on the undercard (Bret, Taker, Diesel, Razor).

 

[DaaaaB's]

1995 is easily the worst Rumble post 1990. If I'm remembering right, the top names in the match were Michaels, Bulldog, Luger and Owen Hart. All of them were midcarders at this point. Owen only lasted 5 seconds.
Also the match was only like 40 minutes because of the quick entrances.

The 4 biggest stars in the WWF at the time were on the undercard (Bret, Taker, Diesel, Razor).

I can't really disagree as I haven't seen it since I was a kid. However, I remember loving that Rumble. Michaels and Bulldog going the distance was original. The ending was also great. You're likely right about the lack of talent in it but Michaels was being pushed to main event status at this point and was just as big of a star as Razor. The other memorable thing about this Rumble was Bigelow attacking LT to setup the WrestleMania main event. That might be viewed as a negative thing though.

 

[Megahab]

I can't really disagree as I haven't seen it since I was a kid. However, I remember loving that Rumble. Michaels and Bulldog going the distance was original. The ending was also great. You're likely right about the lack of talent in it but Michaels was being pushed to main event status at this point and was just as big of a star as Razor. The other memorable thing about this Rumble was Bigelow attacking LT to setup the WrestleMania main event. That might be viewed as a negative thing though.

Everything is better when you're a kid. I loved Wrestlemania as a kid. But it's known as one of the worst WMs. But I haven't seen it since and probably never will. It will ruin my memories.

This is based off shady memory but I think Razor was above HBK at this point. I'm talking about the day of the Rumble. At some point in the following weeks/months, HBK surpassed him in the hierarchy of the card but in terms of star power, I'm not sure. I sont think that happened until later in the year.

Was it teased that HBK would win the Rumble? I guess with Diesel as champion and their recent break up, it may have been obvious but I was just a kid. The way I remember it, the Diesel-HBK stuff took a back seat once Diesel became champion. But earlier in the night, during Bret vs. Diesel, HBK interfered on Diesel.

 

[boredmale]

I can't really disagree as I haven't seen it since I was a kid. However, I remember loving that Rumble. Michaels and Bulldog going the distance was original. The ending was also great. You're likely right about the lack of talent in it but Michaels was being pushed to main event status at this point and was just as big of a star as Razor. The other memorable thing about this Rumble was Bigelow attacking LT to setup the WrestleMania main event. That might be viewed as a negative thing though.

Michaels winning from Spot 1 seemed to try one up Ric Flair winning from spot 3 just 3 years earlier, I didn't find it original. I would argue HBK was slightly higher up on the food chain than Razor but it was close. As for LT/Bam Bam I had no issue with it(LT actually had a decent match for a celebrity), only problem is I think it was a great move to get the NY audience not sure how it faired for the rest of the country.

1995 in General might have been one of the worst years ever for the WWF(at least in terms of the 80s, 90s and 00s, I haven't watched it enough in the past 15 years to make that judgment if it is even worse now)

 

[DaaaaB's]

Everything is better when you're a kid. I loved Wrestlemania as a kid. But it's known as one of the worst WMs. But I haven't seen it since and probably never will. It will ruin my memories.

This is based off shady memory but I think Razor was above HBK at this point. I'm talking about the day of the Rumble. At some point in the following weeks/months, HBK surpassed him in the hierarchy of the card but in terms of star power, I'm not sure. I sont think that happened until later in the year.

Was it teased that HBK would win the Rumble? I guess with Diesel as champion and their recent break up, it may have been obvious but I was just a kid. The way I remember it, the Diesel-HBK stuff took a back seat once Diesel became champion. But earlier in the night, during Bret vs. Diesel, HBK interfered on Diesel.

I can't remember exactly either but I think the plan going back to at least SummerSlam would've been to have HBK vs Diesel at WrestleMania. Maybe not though. Razor may have been a bit above Michaels but it must've been close. Both were intercontinental champs in 94.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Michaels winning from Spot 1 seemed to try one up Ric Flair winning from spot 3 just 3 years earlier, I didn't find it original. I would argue HBK was slightly higher up on the food chain than Razor but it was close. As for LT/Bam Bam I had no issue with it(LT actually had a decent match for a celebrity), only problem is I think it was a great move to get the NY audience not sure how it faired for the rest of the country.

1995 in General might have been one of the worst years ever for the WWF(at least in terms of the 80s, 90s and 00s, I haven't watched it enough in the past 15 years to make that judgment if it is even worse now)

I meant that the first two guys to enter being the final two was original, not just Michaels going the distance. I had no problem with LT/Bam Bam either. As a kid, I thought it was cool and even now getting an athlete at that level to wrestle would be something I'd enjoy. Agreed on 95 being one of the worst years ever for WWF.

 

[Megahab]

I can't remember exactly either but I think the plan going back to at least SummerSlam would've been to have HBK vs Diesel at WrestleMania. Maybe not though. Razor may have been a bit above Michaels but it must've been close. Both were intercontinental champs in 94.

But I think if you asked people in 1994 who was going to be world champion first, most would say Razor over HBK. I might be wrong though. Then again, who thought Diesel would be champion before either of them

 

[Voight]

But I think if you asked people in 1994 who was going to be world champion first, most would say Razor over HBK. I might be wrong though. Then again, who thought Diesel would be champion before either of them

Let alone hold the belt for a year.

 

[Voight]

been watching some random Royal rumbles on the Peacock the last week or two, just bouncing around and I have to say 2005 must have been one of the worst group of participants in Rumble history, I must have been on a wrestling hiatus at the time as I don't recall such a terrible roster as that one

1997-2004 were some fantastic RR's so the bar was somewhat high IMO.

 

[Bondurant]

Kicking off the morning with Brian Solomon discussing his Farhat bio.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Todd Pettengill selling the 1995 Royal Rumble participants with a straight face deserved an Emmy.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Todd Pettengill selling the 1995 Royal Rumble participants with a straight face deserved an Emmy.

I loves Pettengill, put him in the hall of fame

 

[Emperoreddy]

I can't remember exactly either but I think the plan going back to at least SummerSlam would've been to have HBK vs Diesel at WrestleMania. Maybe not though. Razor may have been a bit above Michaels but it must've been close. Both were intercontinental champs in 94.

Diesel started getting legit over from that 94 Rumble by just being a really tall bad ass. He wasn't bad either.

Then he turned face and had to talk more and holy god was he boring. Nash could not cut a promo for anything at that point. Especially face promos

 

[Megahab]

I loves Pettengill, put him in the hall of fame

Him and Sean Mooney.

 

[These Are The Days]

Got back onto my Attitude Era watch through after a very long hiatus. I stopped some time shortly after Austin's betrayal and Kurt becoming champ again. It was good but became too much after a while. Speaking of Kurt, I'm writing again to say I just finished Raw and my Olympic Hero has turned his back on the WWF. I'm sure he has some amazing reason for what he did. But when I do my "Best and Worst of the Attitude Era" I can lop this in with the "blood rivals who tried to murder each other become friends lmao" logic they love to use as among the dumbest things about it

Honorable mention: 2001 babyface Kurt is probably my leading candidate for "Biggest golden shovel" and my God I didn't think it was possible to top HHH. This man would beat Roman clean after kicking out of 25 Superman punches.

PS- The correct answer might be Austin but that's because his shovel involved insane nonsensical cartoon level heroism. Dude once heroically kicked out of an Undertaker tombstone at 16,000 feet while parachuting and being electrocuted by jumper cables and being jumped by 6 dudes mid-air. But he flipped Taker off, took the cables, put it to his nuts, zapped the dead man, gave him and the other 6 guys stunners, won the match, raised hell, drank 37 Steveweiser's and did it all before landing on the ground in either a Zamboni, Monster Truck, 18 wheeler or at the end neck of an industrial construction crane

 

[DaaaaB's]

PS- The correct answer might be Austin but that's because his shovel involved insane nonsensical cartoon level heroism. Dude once heroically kicked out of an Undertaker tombstone at 16,000 feet while parachuting and being electrocuted by jumper cables and being jumped by 6 dudes mid-air. But he flipped Taker off, took the cables, put it to his nuts, zapped the dead man, gave him and the other 6 guys stunners, won the match, raised hell, drank 37 Steveweiser's and did it all before landing on the ground in either a Zamboni, Monster Truck, 18 wheeler or at the end neck of an industrial construction crane

Wow, I can't believe I don't remember that match.

 

[These Are The Days]

Wow, I can't believe I don't remember that match.

It was right around the time Austin was nearly embalmed alive at the funeral home after getting hit with chloroform. He miraculously resuscitated himself at the last possible moment before having a dagger plunged into his heart as the Dead Man chanted in Latin -or in tongues as J.R called it. Austin barely escaped with his life that night.

----- This legitimately happened on Raw


I know that post I made was ridiculous but after reading this, the spirit of what I was going for can be understood

 

[DaaaaB's]

It was right around the time Austin was nearly embalmed alive at the funeral home after getting hit with chloroform. He miraculously resuscitated himself at the last possible moment before having a dagger plunged into his heart as the Dead Man chanted in Latin -or in tongues as J.R called it. Austin barely escaped with his life that night.

----- This legitimately happened on Raw


I know that post I made was ridiculous but after reading this, the spirit of what I was going for can be understood

I was just joking around, I thought your post was hilarious. I get what you're saying, that era while entertaining was definitely ridiculous especially when it came to Stone Cold.

 

[These Are The Days]

Last Raw before Survivor Series 2001 I know WWF is gonna win and all that. I just have no idea how anything is supposed to happen. A few thoughts

- There's literally no undercard build up here. Who is fighting who and for what that night?

- I can't believe they actually had Jericho go over on the Rock. This might be one of the few times I've ever actually been surprised. Yeah, no kidding Rock won the belt back like 2 weeks later. It's almost like it was some sort of return to order. Just please tell me Jericho's gonna stay babyface for a little while longer. At least until he's Undisputed Champion. I have spent 20 years waiting to find out how this story gets told and it's gonna be cool to finally see it. I knew even 20 years ago that one day WWF would open its entire video library for consumption. I just had to be patient and not spoil it for myself.

- The Angle heel turn still makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I never understood guys being heels or faces for like 4 months for the sake of one feud. Looking at you too Edge with Jericho, Eddie with Mysterio and Matt Hardy with Jeff Hardy.

Kurt must not have liked being a babyface or something. But joining the alliance because "Austin is a winner" is so stupid considering he has been whipping his ass every time they meet. If you're gonna turn Kurt heel again so quickly, do it after the WWF's victory at Survivor Series and Kurt's such a pompous, arrogant dick about it that after about 2 weeks you got JR calling him an Olympic Jackass because he just trots out with a God complex saying "You don't need your crappy sports team anymore, you can cheer for me!" exactly like he used to when he debuted. Or: just write a better promo about how his WWF teammates suck, he's so much better than them and he jumped ship to save his job. Going back to kissing Austin's feet makes absolutely no sense. The WWF just completely screwed this one up.

- Edge is probably the GOAT mid-carder of the Attitude Era. Everything about the guy is magnetic and entertaining from the look to the music to the skillset. My God the man just bleeds "it" factor. The guy's abs are greased in baby oil for heaven's sake.

 

[These Are The Days]

November 12th 2001, Boston Mass.

After 4 months and Austin saying the word close to 1,000 times desperate to get the crowd to go along with him, we get the birth of the single most annoying thing to come out WWE ever. The freaking "wHaT?!?" chant that wouldn't die for well over 10 years. You can tell the man was visibly happy when it FINALLY worked and he was coaching the crowd along to keep going at it

God man. It would be Boston.