Classic Wrestling Discussion: Part III & Wrestler Poll

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SHANE IS NUTS! MAMACITA IS CHAMP! JERICHO AND BENOIT WAS A MASTERPIECE! 900 KAJILLION STARS FOR TLC! EDGE AND CHRISTIAN RETAIN! I'M SO FULL OF SHIT! I'M SO HAPPY!!!

Please don't mess up Taker/Kane and the triple threat. For God's sake, I'm finally watching the company live up to its potential for one night.


Edit: What a night. Basically a 5 star PPV. Honorable mention that the Taker/Kane match was incredibly well written. I could have never guessed Kane's mask would be removed and that's how it would end. Love it love it

 

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Foleyverse

 

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lmao Kurt Angle is the most genuine sociopath I have ever seen. His shit with Haitch and Stephanie reminds me of of ex's cat Tesla. Sometimes a stray black cat would come in (sweetest little thing you ever met in your life) and he would follow her around for hours on end like a stalker. Just sit there staring away even watching her sleep. He would get close but never enough to touch her. But still like damn near on top of her. Eventually she would lose her shit. And then he just sits there with this dopey look on his face and continues. This of course has happened to his litter mate Navi and her baby Monte

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

SHANE IS NUTS! MAMACITA IS CHAMP! JERICHO AND BENOIT WAS A MASTERPIECE! 900 KAJILLION STARS FOR TLC! EDGE AND CHRISTIAN RETAIN! I'M SO FULL OF SHIT! I'M SO HAPPY!!!

Please don't mess up Taker/Kane and the triple threat. For God's sake, I'm finally watching the company live up to its potential for one night.


Edit: What a night. Basically a 5 star PPV. Honorable mention that the Taker/Kane match was incredibly well written. I could have never guessed Kane's mask would be removed and that's how it would end. Love it love it

Ah, Summerslam 2000. Such a great PPV, and also had one of the worst botches ever. Long story short, the table was not supposed to give out like that and Angle legitimately got dumped head first on the concrete was KO'd and gave him a massive concussion.

https://cultaholic.com/posts/kurt-a...e way before,and suffered a severe concussion.

 

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Ah, Summerslam 2000. Such a great PPV, and also had one of the worst botches ever. Long story short, the table was not supposed to give out like that and Angle legitimately got dumped head first on the concrete was KO'd and gave him a massive concussion.

https://cultaholic.com/posts/kurt-angle-severe-concussion-stopped-me-from-remembering-wwe-summerslam-2000-match#:~:text=Angle was involved in the,The Rock and Triple H.&text=The table gave way before,and suffered a severe concussion.

My heart stopped for a second when that happened. The Rock and HHH did an amazing job improvising and going along the way because I think HHH knew Kurt was legitimately messed up right away. Like you could see it in his face. For Angle to come back and still finished is just sheer force of human will

 

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My heart stopped for a second when that happened. The Rock and HHH did an amazing job improvising and going along the way because I think HHH knew Kurt was legitimately messed up right away. Like you could see it in his face. For Angle to come back and still finished is just sheer force of human will

What did you expect? The man won a gold medal with a broken freakin neck.

 

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What did you expect? The man won a gold medal with a broken freakin neck.

Lmao. Fair enough. I knew the EMT's weren't a work though. Kurt was clearly screwed up when he was sitting down with them

 

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Oh yeah and Tazz vs announce team feud desperately needs to end. Not only is it random, it's legitimately terrible. Attacking announcers is always terrible no matter how many different ways they try it. What a waste. It's not even funny watching Tazz get owned. It's embarrassing

 

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For once I have no idea what's going on because I'm seeing a dynamic I haven't seen in 3 years WWF AE time. The biggest piece of crap in the business who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy is feuding with the other biggest piece of crap in the business who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy. And nightly HHH is being put over on how he's being duped and his innocent actions are taken out of context and Angle gets the wrath of it. Like, is this a pseudo tweener role or what? Not since Hart vs HBK has two guys who deserve to be booed had a feud of this magnitude.


It's refreshing to say the least

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

For once I have no idea what's going on because I'm seeing a dynamic I haven't seen in 3 years WWF AE time. The biggest piece of crap in the business who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy is feuding with the other biggest piece of crap in the business who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy. And nightly HHH is being put over on how he's being duped and his innocent actions are taken out of context and Angle gets the wrath of it. Like, is this a pseudo tweener role or what? Not since Hart vs HBK has two guys who deserve to be booed had a feud of this magnitude.


It's refreshing to say the least

He was great from day 1, but this program (and the next couple years) is where Angle takes that big step towards best of the best territory (and frankly stays there for the rest of his career)

 

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He was great from day 1, but this program (and the next couple years) is where Angle takes that big step towards best of the best territory (and frankly stays there for the rest of his career)

Completely agreed. It's like watching a skyscraper turn on its lights one floor at a time going higher and higher. In terms of working a match, execution and technique the guy was a poor man's Bret Hart at worst the night he debuted Survivor Series '99. Before that he had what, like maybe 6-7 months of taped matches on Jakked and Shotgun Saturday Night? For sure we'll see talent like his again but we're never going to see someone who had such an innate understanding and immediate ability to use it at that level that quickly.


Like yeah Lesnar went straight to the moon in a short time too but you'll hear guys like Jim Cornette who oversaw is development in OVW talk about how raw he was and how he needed years of work to get where he was by the time of his debut. Again. Angle barely needed more than 6 months

It amazes me how great he already is and I gotta remind myself this is only his first year and he hasn't been doing it for 10 like Undertaker had been

 

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And for what it's worth, seeing at least a subtle change in character with HHH is most welcome. I can't know for sure if this is a slow burn to a babyface turn or a swerve but I can get down with it. It's a better change of pace than having Mick Foley fed to him for the sake of golden shovel antics ok top of seeing him for half of every show every night.


JR once said he's the guy who pulled the ratings but I argue it's because he never got off the f***ing TV screen and his ratings are artificially inflated by the fact he was on at the beginning, middle and end of every Raw and Smackdown for like 9 months from 99 to summer 2000

 

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And for what it's worth, seeing at least a subtle change in character with HHH is most welcome. I can't know for sure if this is a slow burn to a babyface turn or a swerve but I can get down with it. It's a better change of pace than having Mick Foley fed to him for the sake of golden shovel antics ok top of seeing him for half of every show every night.


JR once said he's the guy who pulled the ratings but I argue it's because he never got off the f***ing TV screen and his ratings are artificially inflated by the fact he was on at the beginning, middle and end of every Raw and Smackdown for like 9 months from 99 to summer 2000

I like HHH and while it suffered from overexposure liked his heel work. I feel his best work was early 00 when he first debuted The Game gimmick and had "My Time" as his theme. Honestly him crashing the wedding might be the funniest thing from that era.

Overall I feel like Cornette's comment about HHH as a draw is accurate...he wasn't THE guy, but he was the guy that always worked with the guy.

Some feel that may be a knock on him, but I look at it as he was that hated of a heel that he fit with all the top faces. You gotta be one heck of a heel to work successful programs with Austin, Rock, Undertaker, HBK and Angle all in a row

 

[TheShape]

Two part (over 7 hours) Vince McMahon Omnibus episode on the Jim Cornette Experience podcast for anyone interested. Jim answers questions and shares stories all Vince related. Pretty entertaining stuff.

 

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Two part (over 7 hours) Vince McMahon Omnibus episode on the Jim Cornette Experience podcast for anyone interested. Jim answers questions and shares stories all Vince related. Pretty entertaining stuff.

I won't be listening to seven hours of it but Cornette does provide a different sort of look at Vince in that he has worked against Vince but also closely with Vince, has a good memory, and hasn't been looking for work from Vince. Just sort of makes him out to be a weird and driven guy whom Cornette wishes knew more about wrestling.

 

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Two part (over 7 hours) Vince McMahon Omnibus episode on the Jim Cornette Experience podcast for anyone interested. Jim answers questions and shares stories all Vince related. Pretty entertaining stuff.

Jim I think touched on it that Vince helped him financially years ago to get out of debt he had. Also, I'm sure Jim and Vince have made some sort of deal in terms of wrestling stuff.

 

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Al Snow as European champion dressed up like Germans, Spaniards and entrance music saying "What does everybody want? Head!" etc in said same language is the therapeutic rush I need to get me through my day.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Al Snow as European champion dressed up like Germans, Spaniards and entrance music saying "What does everybody want? Head!" etc in said same language is the therapeutic rush I need to get me through my day.

a truly underrated part of the Attitude Era is how over the mid and lower card guys were. they helped raise the overall popularity.

Al Snow
New Age Outlaws
X Pac
D'Lo Brown
The Brood
The Hardyz
Acolytes
Too Cool
Shamrock
Blackman
Godfather

Hell, at one point only 2 people in the WWF were selling more merchandise than the New Age Outlaws...Austin and The Rock

You had it in WCW too with the cruiserweights, the luchadors, Eddie, Jericho, etc. Hell the Jericho/Malenko feud was red hot and spawned the "Man of 1004 Holds" promo

 

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a truly underrated part of the Attitude Era is how over the mid and lower card guys were. they helped raise the overall popularity.

Al Snow
New Age Outlaws
X Pac
D'Lo Brown
The Brood
The Hardyz
Acolytes
Too Cool
Shamrock
Blackman
Godfather

Hell, at one point only 2 people in the WWF were selling more merchandise than the New Age Outlaws...Austin and The Rock

You had it in WCW too with the cruiserweights, the luchadors, Eddie, Jericho, etc. Hell the Jericho/Malenko feud was red hot and spawned the "Man of 1004 Holds" promo

That was the best part of wrestling at the time. Not all of it was great or even good by any stretch but a lot of it was over. It creates an exciting show where you're actually interested from segment to segment. Wrestlers with something going on, even if they never had hope of becoming world champion, and that something wasn't usually a feud over respect or someone calling someone else out on the mic in the middle of the ring.

 

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Hell, at one point only 2 people in the WWF were selling more merchandise than the New Age Outlaws...Austin and The Rock

I bought a New Age Outlaws shirt at a Heat/Raw taping in East Lansing and I never like them. They were not selling J.O.B. Squad shirts so I chose the shirt with the swear word on it. Had fun wearing it to school and being a "rebel".

 

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Alright so I've gotten as far as October 2000 and the shit with "Who ran over Stone Cold" continues to persist anyway to the point where I've all but stopped caring about it. The whole thing is so forced. Only info I have to go on is "blonde driver" courtesy of Mr. Ass. I knew he'd be back. Anyway, this shit needs to end already.

If you obey the law of heels/babyfaces turning simultaneously within WWF/WWE (well... more like a theory because it happens so much) that leaves Jericho and Rikishi as the only culprits for an instant heel turn since HHH's slow burn to a babyface seems all but complete now and someone else has to "bring balance to the force" and I believe this is possible in spite of Rikishi not being there at SS '99. Please let it be Jericho. Rikishi makes no f***ing sense and would be a terrible idea. I mean.... it would get him in the main even but in a terribly planned fashion. I also don't see how HHH's problems with Stephanie can last much longer. Like it's a VERY, VERY nice change of pace from having their faces f***ing plastered on the RAW IS WAR sign but it's still forced. I might as well shut up and enjoy it.

Don't make me wait til like Christmas to find out who ran over Austin. I've made a point for almost 20 years to not look up who did this because I always knew I'd be able to re-watch the AE someday. I'm done waiting.

 

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Austin gets run over "because racism"





I get it but God this is stupid. It's clear WWF just sat on the angle and decided "who dunit" later. Now I get where "I did it for the Rock" quote via Rikishi came from. Never knew the context. I wasn't even thinking about it but my brain does weird shit like that all the time to make blind connections. Call this hindsight guessing. I have to imagine what a swerve this would've been in 2000

 

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Regal and Billy Gunn's returns were so well worth the wait. Al Snow as European Champion is absolutely hilarious because of how blatantly stupid it is. God I love how WWF of this day refuses to take itself seriously. I love the brew towards a title clash between Regal and Snow. The prim, proper Englishman as a heel role is just too damn good. It's hard to choose which role I like better. Al Snow by a nose right now because Regal retained the gimmick. I'll say this much -he made it work so well he deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame if he didn't make it in already -not that I've checked. What an under-appreciated talent he was.

But at long last I am seeing why WWF 2000 is hailed as such a great year. The last 10 months of THE GAAMMMEEEUHHHHH on my TV with Steph every 28 seconds was utter shit but now that we're freed of that, the whole product is breathing and my God it's amazing. I didn't think I'd care much for HHH's babyface incarnation (not fully sold on this being permanent, he's gotta square up against Rock and Austin somehow) but it works and I'm genuinely enjoying his angles.

 

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Oh snap! Regal is European champion!!! LET'S f***ING GO BOOOYYYSSSS!!!!!!

 

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Austin gets run over "because racism"





I get it but God this is stupid. It's clear WWF just sat on the angle and decided "who dunit" later. Now I get where "I did it for the Rock" quote via Rikishi came from. Never knew the context. I wasn't even thinking about it but my brain does weird shit like that all the time to make blind connections. Call this hindsight guessing. I have to imagine what a swerve this would've been in 2000

I deed it... 4 DA RAWK!

I deed it... 4 DA PEOPLE!

I deed it... 4 DA... aw, shut up, you thong-wearing fatty!