CIBC Canada Russia U20 Series

[67hockeyfan]

As a follower of the OHL, I’m not really familiar with the WHL. What can we expect from the goaltenders?

 

[lawrence]

better look out for Woo and Focht. I heard those guys are good.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Clutch gene Byram

 

[JackSlater]

Byram scored (looked like it banked off someone) to send the game to overtime. I've only seen the third period, but in that period Byram looked far better than the other Canadian defenceman. Smith was not good at all. The WHL offence looked pretty anemic while it should have been pushing for a tying goal.

And then Addison scores in overtime. Seems like a lucky win for the WHL.

 

[Yakushev72]

The play of the game goes to the CHL referee who called that ticky-tacky little penalty on Podkolzin with 2:38 left in the game. I know that this is a meaningless exhibition series, but the Russian kids deserved a hard-fought win over the course of 3 periods, only to have the referee take it away from them with that call. Even though technically the power play was over, it allowed Canada to put the Russians back on their heels with a 6-on-4 manpower advantage, and they were outnumbered and stuck in their own zone. Why not just let the kids decide the game on their own. It reminds the Russian team that the refs always reserve the right to pull the plug on them when necessary.

 

[Atas2000]

A much better than expected result from Russia's B-Team.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Last a few series have been going more or less on par. Canadians still have more players, but best vs best games are pretty close, at least on junior levels.

 

[JackSlater]

I didn't realize that the last two games were back to back, so that's disappointing.

 

[NyQuil]

The play of the game goes to the CHL referee who called that ticky-tacky little penalty on Podkolzin with 2:38 left in the game. I know that this is a meaningless exhibition series, but the Russian kids deserved a hard-fought win over the course of 3 periods, only to have the referee take it away from them with that call. Even though technically the power play was over, it allowed Canada to put the Russians back on their heels with a 6-on-4 manpower advantage, and they were outnumbered and stuck in their own zone. Why not just let the kids decide the game on their own. It reminds the Russian team that the refs always reserve the right to pull the plug on them when necessary.

Or they could, you know, kill the penalty with the ability to ice the puck at an empty net, like it's been done before thousands of times.

 

[Dominance]

Game 6 was nuts. For Russia to win the first shootout so commandingly, I thought it was a shoe-in win for them in the series shootout. Then when we were in a great position and Russia put in their backup goalie, I thought their coach was crazy. When he was actually stopping the shootout attempts and the Russians tied it up, I almost lost my mind. Happy with the result in the end, as the WHL carried the play throughout both games.

Always a good sign when the individual thirds of the CHL can beat the Russians.

 

[Dominance]

Or they could, you know, kill the penalty with the ability to ice the puck at an empty net, like it's been done before thousands of times.

They missed the empty net twice from inside the offensive zone. It was crazy and hilarious.

 

[Yakushev72]

Game 6 was nuts. For Russia to win the first shootout so commandingly, I thought it was a shoe-in win for them in the series shootout. Then when we were in a great position and Russia put in their backup goalie, I thought their coach was crazy. When he was actually stopping the shootout attempts and the Russians tied it up, I almost lost my mind. Happy with the result in the end, as the WHL carried the play throughout both games.

Always a good sign when the individual thirds of the CHL can beat the Russians.

Russia deserved to win Game 5, and certainly would have won it had a CHL employee, the referee, not intervened to prevent the loss. I totally disagree with the claim that Russia was ever outplayed by either the QHL or the WHL. Those leagues looked very average against a Russian B team. There was one game when the Russians were outplayed, at least to some extent, and that was Game 3, but they came back to beat the OHL in Game 4.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that it seems very unlikely that Canada will win a Gold or Silver medal in the upcoming U20 tournament. They will be forced to play outside of their comfort zone - outside of Canada, and that is rare. I think Canada and Russia will fight it out for the Bronze, and anyone from this Russian team that makes the NT roster will be a 3rd or 4th liner. I like Russia under those circumstances.

 

[Yakushev72]

Or they could, you know, kill the penalty with the ability to ice the puck at an empty net, like it's been done before thousands of times.

Can you give me a quick count of empty net goals in the 59th minute when the defending team is 2 men shorthanded?

 

[NyQuil]

Can you give me a quick count of empty net goals in the 59th minute when the defending team is 2 men shorthanded?

Sure.

4,792.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I don't think this outcome is even worth any discussion, teams were more or less equel (I mean the whole series), and it's what, that is important. This is a pure friendly series, if, of course, you can call friendly any series Canada vs Russia... I mean, this series is probably kind of important to kids, who play in it, but to fans it should be just a fun hockey.

Now, if we lost the series like 6-0, then I would be upset, but 3-3 is perfectly ok to me. It wasn't that important to me, when we won the previous series, and it's not very important to me, that we lost this one.

 

[NyQuil]

Since you think it's such an impossible task:







Aho's empty-net goal

Cirelli's empty-net goal

Daley's improbable empty-net goal

Motte's empty-net goal

Saad's empty-net goal

Ellis' shorthanded empty-netter

Lindell pots SHG on an empty net

Gourde scores on empty net

Wingels' shorthanded empty-netter

Bergeron scores on the empty net

Maybe the Russian team can review some of these videos.

 

[JackSlater]

Did any WHL skaters stand out in a good or bad way in game 6? I was unimpressed with everyone other than Byram in what I saw of game 5.

 

[Yakushev72]

Since you think it's such an impossible task:







Aho's empty-net goal

Cirelli's empty-net goal

Daley's improbable empty-net goal

Motte's empty-net goal

Saad's empty-net goal

Ellis' shorthanded empty-netter

Lindell pots SHG on an empty net

Gourde scores on empty net

Wingels' shorthanded empty-netter

Bergeron scores on the empty net

Maybe the Russian team can review some of these videos.

Your research is inadequate and incomplete, in other words, typical Nyquil! What are the dates? In the history of hockey, you were only able to document 3 with video proof? And with the 3 that you were actually able to document, all had two characteristics: (1) a lucky bad turnover, and (2) a lucky shot that trickles into the net. So what happens to those who get screwed by a corrupt referee, but don't get a lucky turnover and a lucky shot? If you want to be convincing in making your point, get back to work!

 

[NyQuil]

What are the dates? In the history of hockey, you were only able to document 3 with video proof? And with the 3 that you were actually able to document, all had two characteristics: (1) a lucky bad turnover, and (2) a lucky shot that trickles into the net.

First off - all of those links are videos. Maybe try clicking on them. HF limits the numbers of videos it can display in a single post to 3. The dates are in the videos themselves.

I was able to find tons of examples in very little time - all of which are recent enough to be posted in the NHL archive.

You seem to argue that it is a foregone conclusion that Canada would score which is patently absurd.

As anyone can see, your argument that the referee dictated the outcome of the game has three major flaws:

1. Russia could have killed the penalty and/or scored on the empty net.

2. Canada still could have tied up the game even if no penalty had been called.

3. It was only tied at the end of the 3rd period. Russia could have still won in OT/SO.

Whining about officiating in this circumstance is lazy and tired. Corrupt referee? You're embarrassing yourself.

As far as I’m concerned, it’s patently obvious that your argument holds no water as per usual. There is nothing automatic about a penalty.

You're just bitter about your team's inability to close out a game where they had ample opportunity to do so.

 

[NyQuil]

Your research is inadequate and incomplete, in other words, typical Nyquil!

Interestingly, here are the stats for goals by strength in the NHL (kept since 1987):

4 on 6 goals: 584
6 on 4 goals: 578

There have actually been more 4 on 6 goals scored than 6 on 4 goals.

NHL.com - Stats

Are you prepared to admit defeat?

At least I've provided evidence, which is more than your typical claptrap about corruption and all the other bullshit you shovel on a regular basis.

Your move.

And please, provide some actual data instead of the usual unfounded allegations that you pass off as analysis.

 

[JackSlater]

Interestingly, here are the stats for goals by strength in the NHL (kept since 1987):

4 on 6 goals: 584
6 on 4 goals: 578

There have actually been more 4 on 6 goals scored than 6 on 4 goals.

NHL.com - Stats

Are you prepared to admit defeat?

At least I've provided evidence, which is more than your typical claptrap about corruption and all the other bull**** you shovel on a regular basis.

Your move.

And please, provide some actual data instead of the usual unfounded allegations that you pass off as analysis.

Shoddy numbers - typical NyQuil! How many of those goals were scored in front of 20,000 rabid Canadian fans screaming for Russian blood in the heated CIBC CHL-Russia series? How many were scored in front of refs who were clearly bribed, their pants so laden with ill-gotten loonies and twoonies that the jingling could be heard through the TV screen? We're all onto your game - enough!

 

[canuck2010]

I don't think this outcome is even worth any discussion, teams were more or less equel (I mean the whole series), and it's what, that is important. This is a pure friendly series, if, of course, you can call friendly any series Canada vs Russia... I mean, this series is probably kind of important to kids, who play in it, but to fans it should be just a fun hockey.

Now, if we lost the series like 6-0, then I would be upset, but 3-3 is perfectly ok to me. It wasn't that important to me, when we won the previous series, and it's not very important to me, that we lost this one.

I loved the interview with the Russian kid after the first game, he spoke better English than you would hear in some parts of Canada. He was really pumped about his role in the game and how much fun the series was. Typical of a kid anywhere

 

[jj cale]

First off - all of those links are videos. Maybe try clicking on them. HF limits the numbers of videos it can display in a single post to 3. The dates are in the videos themselves.

I was able to find tons of examples in very little time - all of which are recent enough to be posted in the NHL archive.

You seem to argue that it is a foregone conclusion that Canada would score which is patently absurd.

As anyone can see, your argument that the referee dictated the outcome of the game has three major flaws:

1. Russia could have killed the penalty and/or scored on the empty net.

2. Canada still could have tied up the game even if no penalty had been called.

3. It was only tied at the end of the 3rd period. Russia could have still won in OT/SO.

Whining about officiating in this circumstance is lazy and tired. Corrupt referee? You're embarrassing yourself.

As far as I’m concerned, it’s patently obvious that your argument holds no water as per usual. There is nothing automatic about a penalty.

You're just bitter about your team's inability to close out a game where they had ample opportunity to do so.

I finally had to put that poster on ignore, it's just the same old tired twisted arguments based on bias and alex jones crap time after time.

some folks just need to be put out of sight.

 

[Flynn84]

Which Russian players from Game 3 will be on the U20 roster in December? One is Rotenberg, obviously. He qualified at birth. After that, Morozov and Podkolzin are likely to be selected. They are returnees from last year's team. Groshev has shown considerable talent, skill and strength in the first 3 games, but he is likely too young to be selected by Bragin. Beyond them, I just don't see anyone else as good prospects for making the team.

If any of the defensemen make the roster, Russia has got a real problem! A couple of "little guy" forwards have looked decent, but they can't play in front of the net. Of the CHL participants in the series, only Khovanov and Zavgorodny look like good prospects. They were borderline on being selected last year, but missed the cut. Russia will have to rely on guys like Denisenko and Dorofeyev from the 4 Nations roster to have a chance to win that Bronze Medal that they will be fighting for.

I just don't see that much forwards from 4-nations tournament that is better than most of the Superseries roster. Denisenko, Dorofeev obviously. Marchenko just started scoring in the KHL. Rozhkov is injured. Who else? So I think there is some players from the superseries that will have a real chance to make the team. Besides Podkolzin, Morozov, Zav and Kho. Amirov, Groshev, Savunov, Kruglov, Komissarov. A couple of these can the WC team. Also, could you name 7 defencemen that higher than Malyshev it the depth chart?

 

[Zine]

I just don't see that much forwards from 4-nations tournament that is better than most of the Superseries roster. Denisenko, Dorofeev obviously. Marchenko just started scoring in the KHL. Rozhkov is injured. Who else? So I think there is some players from the superseries that will have a real chance to make the team. Besides Podkolzin, Morozov, Zav and Kho. Amirov, Groshev, Savunov, Kruglov, Komissarov. A couple of these can the WC team. Also, could you name 7 defencemen that higher than Malyshev it the depth chart?

Malyshev and maybe Zamula will make the team. Besides them?...nobody from the Super Series will. Lots of spots still open, currently were maybe at:

Denisenko - Morozov - Dorofeyev
Zavgorodny - Khovanov - X
Marchenko - X - Podkolzkin
X - X - X

Romanov - Zhuravlyov
Misyul - Galenyuk
Zamula - Malyshev
X - X

Askarov
Miftakhov