Some of you simply need to do some research. MIN traded for jacob Middleton and played him as their 1st pairing d with spurgeon. They resigned him for cheap for multiple years. They aren't trading him for a player they have zero need for.
Chychrun’s Megathread V (poll added)
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Given that we have Cooley and are very likely grabbing a C in the 2023 draft I don’t thi k Rossi would necessarily be our target. Minni has a good prospect list that only improved with the draft and addition of Faber.
They have zero need of d. They have to resign boldy next year, so simply along with Parise and suter cap hold increase to 16 mil next year, they don't need him. They aren't trading jacob Middleton, 1st pairing dman with spurgeon who they gave 3 years extension to. Faber and calen addison will be battling for 2nd d pairing with Jonas brodin. They will have 3rd pairing of either if dumba leaves, Alex G, ( calen addison/(faber) , Jon merrill
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It seems to me that Chychrun for Spencer Knight just makes too much sense, that I can’t really believe it hasn’t happened. Of all the rumored teams, Florida likely has the most need of Chychrun.
Their forward group is elite and their blue line is below average, below playoff level. They’re 100% pot-committed already, haven’t cleared out the cup boards almost entirely. But that blueline just isn’t good enough.
While Knight is a critically important piece to them, Bobrovsky is signed long-term, to an unmoveable deal, and was very good last season. While it’s possible Bob won’t be good enough next season, it’s definite that the blueline isn’t.
Meanwhile they have the prefect cap dump in Hornqvist. He’s only got a NTC (so he can be cowed into accepting via a threat of waivers). His cap exceeds Chychrun’s by a full million and he’s only got a year left. He’s a high character leader that AZ could actually use. And Florida has a replacement already on the IR in Duclair who could fill that spot around the TDL.
Knight’s value likely so far exceeds any of the 1sts or other prospects on the table from other teams, that he’s probably good enough to be considered two pieces all on his own, relative to other packages. As an example, he’s likely better than Brannstrom and a 1st or better than Kleven and Sogaard. So that makes sense for AZ when dealing with a team who’s cupboards are bare like FLA. Knight and their remaining 2nd gets them like 66-75% of the way there, I think.
Some? Have you read some of these trade proposals? I think you would change your mind that most are living a fantasy.
Chych is a real good player, young and on a good contract, but he is not worth what BA wants. I think BA's ask will come down a bit and a deal will be made. If not, I would welcome Chych back as he is a player we can build around.As is BA, which is why he hasn't been traded. I have been saying the return will be less than expected on this board.
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Which is really saying nothing at all, isn’t it? Why don’t you actually say what you think the return will be, rather than a vague relative concept of “less than”?
I’m saying that aside from the negative value of any cap dump, Chychrun’s independent trade value is roughly equivalent to two picks around 25th overall and one pick around 55th overall. Obviously I’m not suggesting he’ll be traded for three picks alone, but I’m using those picks as a formula for roughly equivalent value.
What could that look like more practically?
Durzi is likely equivalent to one 25th overall pick. LA’s 1st is also. Then they could add either a 2nd or an equivalent prospect (think Vilardi or JAD who are both out of waivers exemption). Iafallo likely has about zero trade value. Neutral. And is needed for cap.
Ottawa’s 1st is likely a bit more valuable than 25th overall. Sogaard is likely a bit less valuable than 25th overall. Together it’s roughly equivalent. As for that 55th, well, the necessary inclusion of Zaitsev muddies that, a bit. Zaitsev carries at least that much negative value, all on his own. Perhaps Kleven is worth two 55th picks? Or whichever secondary prospect BA likes best (maybe Boucher or Thomson).
Knight could conceivably be considered worth two 25th overall picks on his own. Hornqvist is a necessary dump and likely worth a negative 55th overall, on his own. So, Florida’s 2nd and Nause are likely good enough to bridge that gap.
Iafallo+Durzi+1st+ 2nd/Vilardi/JAD
Zaitsev+Sogaard+1st+ Kleven/Boucher
Hornqvist+Knight+2nd+Nause
I want a quality player in return first of all. Everything else is gravy. I just don't want picks and stuff. Four pieces is a pipe dream, unless BA is willing to accept shit, and I don't think he is. I think the return will be very good though.
Late 1st, a mid to late second, and a mediocre prospect with second line Forward or D projections. Basically parts, unless a cap dump comes with it or other parts are involved. What I am saying we won't get is a top 10 pick or great prospect with top D or top forward potential. I think I am saying we will get a bit less than what you are saying. Both you and I project a return that is much less than fans on this board think.
Right now they don’t. I agree. But is Dumba going to get an extension? I see some concerns on that blueline a year from now and Minni could set themselves up nicely given the structure of Chychrun’s contract. Just my opinion.
A quality prospect or a player who is a star today?
If it’s the later I completely disagree given this is a tank season for Bedard /Top 3.
The only way I would take Durzi as the player is if we had a deal to immediately flip him to OTT or another team right away for more picks/prospects.
I like Durzi quite a bit, but the way I feel about all prospects of that age is they'll be pushing UFA when the team is ready to turn the corner. Like you suggested about BA, I too would rather have picks or prospects that are 2-4 years younger than Durzi.
This logic is sound, but the timing is off. If this is what FLA was going to do, they should have done it before free agency began so they could have signed a quality backup to replace Knight.
So unless Vejmelka was going the other way, I don't think they would risk all their hopes on Bobrovsky who is very inconsistent (to put it politely) come playoff time.
I would not trade Chych for that. If we don't get a great prospect, or NHL proven top ten equivalent + picks I will be disappointed. Not sure if you are reading rt's trade proposals, but he is asking for much more than what you are suggesting.
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Thanks to all of you who responded to my post. Thanks for posting that tweet from Morgan, much appreciated Kai Yo T. As for rt’s question, I don’t have PHNX and I don’t follow anyone on twitter, don’t even have a twitter account so I think I missed the tweet Kai Yo T posted. So no outright trade request but insinuating in his words. For the record I hope he has a change of heart, maybe through conversation with other young, core players such as Keller and Crouse, and decides to stay.
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Seems like you’re expectations are lower than mine by roughly one 2nd round pick worth of value. Not much.
Prepare to be disappointed unless we take a cap dump back or there are other parts involved. We won't get a top 10 pick or a great young player. I am thinking a bit less than what RT is thinking. I do think we can boost the return by taking back a cap dump, we have room for that.
the response is a little wishy washy to me. It reads as "what do you want?" and your response is "everything". If I am to interpret what I think you are trying to communicate is you want the focus to be on a roster player or prospect return and not focused mainly on draft picks.
My view is the return needs to include a 2023 1st. That's my number one priority in a return. I read a draft list yesterday that had Yager in the teens. Yager in the teens! Sign me the F up for that pick.
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Assuming they keep KAM and Lindgren, Kakko would need to be in the deal to make the money work.
Chychrun@50% for Lundkvist + Kakko + ???
As a base of a deal it's not sexy, but maybe you squeeze out more total overall value.
Chychrun should be a Florida Panther by now so this is all rather very dumb and I'm tired of talking about it.
I would love for the return to include 2 actual 1st round picks that only have a minor amount of protections on them. I wouldn't care if they were for 2024 and 2025, because it doesn't seem realistic to get a 2023 1st AND another 1st.
We've got a big wave of prospects coming up. I think the rebuild would benefit from having another later wave of high end prospects.
Another consideration for getting picks further in the future is that it allows more time for the contending teams to fall apart and give us higher picks than expected.
We've got a big wave of prospects coming up. I think the rebuild would benefit from having another later wave of high end prospects.
Another consideration for getting picks further in the future is that it allows more time for the contending teams to fall apart and give us higher picks than expected.
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