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Will Chychrun Be Traded Before The Season?


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GhostofYotesFan47

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Vladar was traded for a 3rd and Valimaki is worth about a 4th maybe.
Vlader is 25 and just had a nice season as a first time, full time backup. He even sometimes looked the part of an NHL starter. Not saying his value has seen significant growth, but he's a desirable asset. I wouldn't write him off as just a 3rd, he may cost 2 of them, and more in principle.
 

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King’s are low on capspace. They need to get Mikey Anderson and Sean Durzi signed. They’re LD depth is abysmal. JAD and Vilardi are out of waiver exemptions. Kaliyev and Grumdstrom are moving up the depth chart. With the addition of Fialia, I think Iafallo is getting squeezed.

He’d be a really good asset for us to grab in a Chychrun deal and flip later. He’s a playoff type player that teams will want. Meanwhile, I bet we could also snag Durzi. Who I think is a great long-term fit. Maybe LA adds their ‘23 1st and ‘23 2nd and they’ve got the space they need to sign Anderson, and they’ve left spots open for Vilardi and JAD. Their LD is suddenly a whole new world.

Would you guys do Iafallo, Durzi, 23 1st and 23 2nd for Chychrun? I think I probably would. I’d spoon feed Iafallo top minutes, and look to move him at the deadline with retention.

The deal solves a lot of problems for LA. We get a really nice 1st, a 2nd we can package with our own for another 1st, clearing the path forward for another three 1sts draft. Moser+Durzi is a solid long-term 2nd pairing.
I really do not believe Kings will have any appetite to trade their 1st round in 2023.

They did it for 2022 in not very good draft.

2023 draft is so much better one.

Also, I think that Chychrun is not on LA radar anymore.

You can expect something like Iafallo, Durzi and 23 2nd at best.

I believe Ottava is better trading partner for your team anyway.
 
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I really do not believe Kings will have any appetite to trade their 1st round in 2023.

They did it for 2022 in not very good draft.

2023 draft is so much better one.

Also, I think that Chychrun is not on LA radar anymore.

You can expect something like Iafallo, Durzi and 23 2nd at best.

I believe Ottava is better trading partner for your team anyway.

Do you think the Kings would have any interest in Brian Dumoulin @ 50% retention? 6'4 stay at home LD who's been a fixture on the top pair with Letang since the Pens won their 2 Cups and has one year remaining on his deal ($4.1M). I think he could make a good partner with any of the Kings more offensive types and he's a pending UFA, so LAK wouldn't be committed to him for more than this year (though it would be a good audition if they want to extend him).

The reason why I ask is because I could see the Penguins being able to put together a good offer for Chychrun, but they would need to include Dumoulin to make the cap work. But since AZ has no use for Dumoulin, I think it would only make sense if AZ knew they had a market for Dumoulin with retention and could flip him to a 3rd team. Penguins might even be able to retain $1M so there could be double-retention on him to bring the cap down further.

What do you think @rt ?
 

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Do you think the Kings would have any interest in Brian Dumoulin @ 50% retention? 6'4 stay at home LD who's been a fixture on the top pair with Letang since the Pens won their 2 Cups and has one year remaining on his deal ($4.1M). I think he could make a good partner with any of the Kings more offensive types and he's a pending UFA, so LAK wouldn't be committed to him for more than this year (though it would be a good audition if they want to extend him).

The reason why I ask is because I could see the Penguins being able to put together a good offer for Chychrun, but they would need to include Dumoulin to make the cap work. But since AZ has no use for Dumoulin, I think it would only make sense if AZ knew they had a market for Dumoulin with retention and could flip him to a 3rd team. Penguins might even be able to retain $1M so there could be double-retention on him to bring the cap down further.

What do you think @rt ?
Brian Dumoulin has a lot of injuries lately and not physical at all.

According to Blake LA need to increase physicality on their blue line.

I do not believe Kings will have any interest in Dumoulin.
 

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Brian Dumoulin has a lot of injuries lately and not physical at all.

According to Blake LA need to increase physicality on their blue line.

I do not believe Kings will have any interest in Dumoulin.

Well he’s had only one injury that didn’t require surgery and although not very physical in terms of hits, he’s always gone against other teams top players at EV and on the PK because of his size and mobility.

I think market value of a 50% retained Dumoulin (or more if PIT retains) should be a 2nd + 3rd (or maybe up to 2 2nds) so I’m thinking about which teams may be interested as a possible 3-way team in a PIT-Chychrun trade.

I proposed LA as one such team because they don’t seem to want to pay the asking price for Chyrchun and Dumoulin would be a much cheaper option who’s still capable of playing a top 2/top 4 role.
 
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Do you think the Kings would have any interest in Brian Dumoulin @ 50% retention? 6'4 stay at home LD who's been a fixture on the top pair with Letang since the Pens won their 2 Cups and has one year remaining on his deal ($4.1M). I think he could make a good partner with any of the Kings more offensive types and he's a pending UFA, so LAK wouldn't be committed to him for more than this year (though it would be a good audition if they want to extend him).

The reason why I ask is because I could see the Penguins being able to put together a good offer for Chychrun, but they would need to include Dumoulin to make the cap work. But since AZ has no use for Dumoulin, I think it would only make sense if AZ knew they had a market for Dumoulin with retention and could flip him to a 3rd team. Penguins might even be able to retain $1M so there could be double-retention on him to bring the cap down further.

What do you think @rt ?
Pittsburgh certainly has the pieces. I think BA would love to add Pickering (doubt they’d move this one), Poulin, or Blomqvist. And, of course, the 1st is usually in play with Pittsburgh (though maybe not with Hextall). I also seem to recall hearing Pittsburgh would love to get out of that Marcus Pettersson contract. We could certainly help with that, too.

So my question would be if we even need to involve LA?
 
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Well he’s had only one injury that didn’t require surgery and although not very physical in terms of hits, he’s always gone against other teams top players at EV and on the PK because of his size and mobility.

I think market value of a 50% retained Dumoulin (or more if PIT retains) should be a 2nd + 3rd (or maybe up to 2 2nds) so I’m thinking about which teams may be interested as a possible 3-way team in a PIT-Chychrun trade.

I proposed LA as one such team because they don’t seem to want to pay the asking price for Chyrchun and Dumoulin would be a much cheaper option who’s still capable of playing a top 2/top 4 role.
I do not believe Kings will have any interest in Dumoulin even for 2nd + 3rd.
LA will be looking for really physical LD.
Dumoulin would be a much cheaper option, but it will not be what team needed.
 
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Pittsburgh certainly has the pieces. I think BA would love to add Pickering (doubt they’d move this one), Poulin, or Blomqvist. And, of course, the 1st is usually in play with Pittsburgh (though maybe not with Hextall). I also seem to recall hearing Pittsburgh would love to get out of that Marcus Pettersson contract. We could certainly help with that, too.

So my question would be if we even need to involve LA?

You're right about the pieces, and I think Blomqvist is the secret weapon. The Penguins are higher on him than Clang, which is why they were willing to let the latter go in the Rakell deal. He's got legit starter potential, but if the Pens extend Jarry who's contract is up next summer, and if they're sufficiently high on Filip Lindberg and Taylor Gauthier, would they be willing to part with Blomqvist? I don't know. He may not be an impact G during the next 3-4 years that will be the end of the Crosby/Letang/Malkin core. Not sure if you saw the recent article on him here: Blomqvist striving to be starting goalie for Penguins

Same idea with Pickering. He's got top 2/top 4 potential but, like Blomqvist, is he going to make an impact during the next 3-4 years? Probably not, but Chychrun certainly would.

As far as Dumoulin: the reason why I include him is because he has positive value (especially if retained 50%). He could be next season's David Savard or Ben Chiarot as a deadline acquisition type. But he doesn't have positive value for the Coyotes since they're not contending, so his value would be based on AZ being able to flip him to another team. That's why I was asking about the Kings or other potential suitors, because the positive value he *might* be able to bring back for AZ would be an important part of how he's valued in a package for Chychrun.

As far as Pettersson: Yes, the Pens would have liked to move him over Matheson, but given Dumoulin's age and being much easier to trade, and while Pettersson's game has had ups & downs, I think that given the term he has left on his contract, he may have negative value and the Pens shouldn't pay to "dump" him IMO. Instead, I think they should keep the younger Pettersson, who still has more upside I believe, over re-signing an older Dumoulin next summer when he's a UFA.

The player I would like to include to shed some salary is Brock McGinn. He's a very good 3rd line winger, but the Pens could certainly replace him with a UFA or younger prospect who can be effective at a much lower cap hit. With Carter + Kapanen both making $3.2M, the Pens have too much tied up in their bottom 6 in the flat cap world, so McGinn is the guy I would look to include as the cap dump.

And if McGinn was included, the Pens could afford to retain ~$1M if necessary on Dumoulin, if that's helpful for AZ to more easily flip him to a 3rd team by bringing down his AAV.

So if I was the GM, that would be my mindset and a package could be something like:

- Dumoulin (possibly $1M retained, and would be trade bait for AZ)
- McGinn
- Pickering
- Blomqvist
- 2023 1st

My hope in the above scenario would be Dumoulin's positive value in a trade to a 3rd team (2 2nds or a 2nd + 3rd) could offset the negative value or "cap dump cost" to include McGinn. So it's essentially 2023 1st + Pickering + Blomqvist for Chychrun, and then Dumoulin for McGinn in a sense.
 
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The time for teams to trade for Chychrun was at the draft where their 1st had more value and their cap had more flexibility. Now a 1st may be a 30th overall and a conditional 1st means teams want the option to tank, which goes against why they would trade for Chychrun in the 1st place. I can't see a team being desperate enough to pay the price at this time.
 

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I'm at the point where I would trade him for a bucket of pucks so I don't have to read all these trade proposals.:laugh: When we do trade Chychrun it will probably be a team out of left field.
It's gonna end with a prospect and 3 picks for Chychrun. Each pick will have as many conditions as the Monahan trade causing this place to burst!!!!
 
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I'm glad GMBA has more patience. Just to punk you guys, he should retire a Coyote...
Like the song says, you have to know when to hold em and when to fold them. I think BA over played his hand, but we shall see.
 

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I'm glad GMBA has more patience. Just to punk you guys, Chychrun should retire a Coyote...
I’d be thrilled. That means something went right, and I love the player. He seems like a good person, too.

If it came out tomorrow that Chychrun had a change of heart and wants to stick it out, I’d think he may be selling himself short, but I would be so thrilled.
 

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The time for teams to trade for Chychrun was at the draft where their 1st had more value and their cap had more flexibility. Now a 1st may be a 30th overall and a conditional 1st means teams want the option to tank, which goes against why they would trade for Chychrun in the 1st place. I can't see a team being desperate enough to pay the price at this time.

I'm not sure I agree with this. And I'm sure BA would be looking to add 2023 draft picks anyway, even without knowing exactly what the draft order is.

It only takes 1 injury to a Dman for one of the teams to realize "oh shit, we better trade for someone" to help push them over the edge.

And as @rt and others have stated, it often takes deadlines to get things done, and the real deadline is the start of the regular season. It could be anytime, it could be the start of camp or the start of the pre-season, but really it's the start of the regular season that's the deadline -- especially with a bunch of teams out there needing to make some moves by then in order to be cap compliant and finalize their rosters.
 

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This one is NOT a reliable source. And they’re likely just amalgamating a bunch of junk they’ve read online. But it’s semi interesting.

The suggestion of Iafallo, Durzi, Vilardi and a 1st is interesting.

 
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