Value of: Christopher Tanev to Toronto
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PetterssonSimp
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This is HF brah. Get with the program of no logic and pure tire pumping. Reality has no place here. Just ask Andrighetto. Here he's a 1/2 line LW with 50 point potential. Not the unclaimed waiver fodder he is in reality.
It's so crazy it's almost like I said this exact thing on page 1 like many other Canuck fans who are fed up with Tanev to Toronto proposals. The Worlds seem like forever ago, but since that first game of the Reilly/Tanev pairing we've been fed up with Leafs' fans overrating potential and under rating on ice NHL impact.
Nucklehead Supreme
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While I agree they overrate potential (Zaitsev as good as Tanev, come on!) You can't blame them for not wanting to give up one of the big three, given the history of blue chippers that team has given up.
Someone already put it best in this thread when they asked us whether we would give up Horvat for Hjalmarsson? I sure as hell wouldn't but that doesn't mean Horvat is a better player now, of course he isn't.
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Sure does
No it doesn't.
Kadri doesn't remotely make the Canucks a better team t the expense of Tanev. Neither would Nylander or Marner as all three don't fit the Canuck roster in areas that the Canucks need help. Actually JVR would interest the Canucks more than Kadri, but not for Tanev, Gudbranson or Hutton.
For those that think the twins are going to retire at the end of next season, don't bet on it. They are in great shape and the Canucks are showing a high likelyhood of extending their contract for an additional two seasons after their current contact expires. That would mean the Canucks would not need to find a replacement for Henrik for another 4 seasons.
Marner looks like he is going to be a stellar RW, but the Canucks have Boeser, who brings similar toos, pencilled in for next season & they have Eriksson, Virtanen, Hansen & Rodin at RW this season. As such the loss of Tanev would harm the Canucks far more then any benefit Marner would bring no matter how skilled Mariner is.
At center with Granlund now playing LW with Sutter, the Canucks currently have Henrik, Sutter, Horvat and Gaunce in that order. Kadri and Nylander are too skilled & expensive to replace Gaunce as the 4th line C. The same is true for Sutter and Horvat. That means for Kadri or Nylander to take a top 3 C roster spot on the Canucks they would have to do it are the expense of either Henrik, Sutter or Horvat not making the Canuck's roster on top of the Canucks losing their to line right side defense man. Thinking a trade centred around Kadri would be even close to leaving the Canucks as a better team is a joke. Nylander likely would be an improvement over Sutter or Horvat but the damage caused to the Canuck defense would not offet the improvemnt to the Canucks C roster.
In short the Leafs as a team would improve, but the Canucks as a team would not.
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Our biggest need is offense we are ranked 26th in the NHL in that category for a reason, I gotta think Nylander or Marner would help with that.
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Some absolutely ridiculous opinions in here, Christopher Tanev is an excellent #2 signed long term on a fantastic contract , he's a top 3 shot suppressing dman in the league to suggest that Nikita Zaitsev is better is just moronic. That's like me saying Troy Stetcher is better than Morgan Reilly.
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Suggesting that Chris Tanev is a 3/4 is just absolutely ridiculous. Tanev led the entire league in shot suppression relative to team last year, and sure Vancouver is bad now but Tanev was the best dman on 100+ point team in 14/15 so the "bad team" argument certainly doesn't work here.
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Time to stop living in the past. Last season was dictated by injury to key personal that was beyond the depth of the team roster to compensate for. This season is realtively injury free so far & back up depth is far deeper than last season.
Equaly hockey is a team sport. It does no good to slieghtly improve scoring at the expense of drastically harming our defense. Nylander is not much of an improvemeent over Sutter or Horvat as far as Canuck team play is concerned.
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If the Canucks traded Tanev to the Leafs, they'd have to get an impact d-man back...so that basically means Reilly, unless you consider Gardiner an 'impact d-man'....if the Canucks were in full tank mode, getting prospects for Tanev might be a consideration....but otherwise, just not going to happen.
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I doubt Vancouver would be interested in trading Tanev. While they may not have a highlight reel defense it is well constructed as is. The ripple effect on the rest of the group if Tanev were dealt for anything other than a similar defenseman has to be considered, and when it is, the idea loses pretty much all appeal.
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Nucklehead Supreme
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Living in the past? Right now we are ranked 26th overall in offense, what are you talking about? You said Marner or Nylander couldn't help with that I think your wrong, didn't say I would make the trade either, just pointed that out.
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How does "we" come into it? Unless you are part of the organization, there is no "we".
Nucklehead Supreme
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Really? This is a trade forum everybody says we, everybody knows nobody on here speaks for their organization, did you really need to point that out?
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There's been a few references to Tanev being an elite shot suppressor - does anyone have a link to where those kind of stats are tracked? I'd be curious to see who else is at the top of the list and who his comparables in that area are.
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http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ters&minutes=400&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
This site is pretty good. I'm not sure I'd call him elite in that area, I think some of the hype is unwarranted.
Think he's a good #2. Cost would be ~~Nylander. Incentive for VAN is, well, they aren't winning a cup in the sedin era. So get some really good young players and rebuild the team instead of consistently and insistently signing the Vrbatas and Erikssons of the world in a feeble attempt to scrape and claw back to former glory at the expense of wasting a lot of years of the franchise.
