Value of: Christian Dvorak to the Leafs

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Actually, he's been playing out of the top 2 lines this season and his 5v5 production is still within the range of a top 6 forward, as well as his primary assist rate.

Kerfoot is a 40 point 3rd liner as a base. Put him with Matthews or Tavares and he turns into a 60 point player.

On a top ten offensive team for sure, put him on a team like the Habs and it's a much different story.

Which was my entire point.

 

[Brobust]

On a top ten offensive team for sure, put him on a team like the Habs and it's a much different story.

Which was my entire point.

On a shit team, he'd play higher in the lineup and be in more offensive situations. He's playing with Kampf and Engvall.

 

[WinterLion]

I think the Habs will keep him. He is a solid and dependable C who gets very little respect, but seems to be liked by all the coaches. The Habs can move him later. His contract is fine for what he is... people around here think they are playing monopoly in 1993

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not sure how he moves any needles for the Leafs.

I don't believe he does provide that much value to the Leafs. They play a fast tempo game and that is not Dvorak's style.

Dvorak is effective but boring. He is solid in the 200' game and on faceoffs but I don't see him being a solution for the Leafs vs what they already have.

 

[WinterLion]

You Laffs need to find a better #1 D... I wonder if your super genius will pay up though... ?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think the Habs will keep him. He is a solid and dependable C who gets very little respect, but seems to be liked by all the coaches. The Habs can move him later. His contract is fine for what he is... people around here think they are playing monopoly in 1993

Habs will keep one of Monahan or Dvorak. We don't have NHL ready centers and if both Monahan and Dvorak are traded, we are left with Suzuki and Evans and would have to move Dach back to center where he has played the best for us on wing. Even if we are able to do sign/trade for Dubois, I would still want to retain one of Dvorak or Monahan for the 3C role.

Beck is not going to be a center in the NHL at age 19 or 20. Suzuki wasn't so Beck will not be as well. I value Beck but some Habs fans are a bit premature on when he could provide value for us in the NHL.

 

[StuckOutHere]

2nd+2nd+Alex Kerfoot (salary plus y'all can flip him for probably another 2nd or 3rd)+Joey Anderson for Christian Dvorak+Paul Byron (so we can make another deal elsewhere with his LTIR).

 

[Brobust]

You Laffs need to find a better #1 D... I wonder if your super genius will pay up though... ?

Have you been in a coma for the last 2 years? The leafs are a good defensive team.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

On a shit team, he'd play higher in the lineup and be in more offensive situations. He's playing with Kampf and Engvall.

And wouldn't put up the same numbers, not even close, again which is my point.

 

[Brobust]

And wouldn't put up the same numbers, not even close, again which is my point.

He'd still be a 50 point player, which is my point.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

He'd still be a 50 point player, which is my point.

No he wouldn't, not even close.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He'd still be a 50 point player, which is my point.

In his career with the Leafs, Kerfoot is a 40 pts player (0.49 pts/game over 245 games). I believe he is on pace for 37 pts this season? He did have that one 51 pts season last year but does that mean it's locked in? If so, Anderson is a 27 goal guy.

Kerfoot is a good bottom 6F. No need to pump or devalue him. He is who he is.

 

[Mersss]

He'd still be a 50 point player, which is my point.

Was he a 50pts player on COL? Hell he was not a 50pts player in the Leafs until paired with Nylander and Tavares. See how he is this year at his spot in the lineup? Bqfk to his 30pts pace!

 

[Deebs]

What's the asking price if he's available?

At best, a 2nd

 

[Habs Halifax]

2nd+2nd+Alex Kerfoot (salary plus y'all can flip him for probably another 2nd or 3rd)+Joey Anderson for Christian Dvorak+Paul Byron (so we can make another deal elsewhere with his LTIR).

If the Leafs are going to make 2 or 3 moves at the deadline, why not just send Kerfoot in one of those packages to make the cap work? The other team won't complain about it too much if you are paying them the futures they want. Kerfoot could go in the ROR deal for example.

What's the asking price if he's available?

It depends on the Habs plan at 3C and we would want one of Dvorak or Monahan in that spot.

If we have plans to trade Monahan at the deadline, we will retain Dvorak cause we don't have NHL ready prospects and trying to fill that spot in UFA this summer likely means we pay someone the same as we are paying Dvorak.

If we have plans to extend Monahan, we can trade Dvorak but I find his value hard to nail down. He doesn't suck but is he a average 3C in the NHL? Not sure to be honest. He does play a good 200' game and good on faceoffs but he's not a puck possession type center. If we keep Monahan, I'm willing to bet we can trade Dvorak to free up cap for a low trade price. 2nd rounder maybe

 

[smirob]

I'd be okay with MTL holding onto Dvorak, his cap hit isn't horrible and he's playing okay. I'd prefer we wait, use him as a stopgap until he becomes a rental in 24-25 and hope his value comes up a bit.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

We already have one David Kampf why would we pay assets for another(worse) one. One will do. I prefer ours a lot more anyways.

 

[TS Quint]

Dvorak? Kerfoot is 2x the player

 

[TS Quint]

I like Dvorak more than most. But I can't see why Montreal would send him to a division rival for anything reasonable.

He's also slightly overpaid, and Montreal certainly won't want to retain on him.

This suggestion is dead in the water.

What does a division rival matter to the Habs? In fact if they are pulling futures from the Leafs now that makes the Leafs weaker in the future when the Habs expect to compete.

Love how everyone says Kerfoot is useless, and then you see a thread like this for a guy on pace for fewer points, paid 1m more for two additional years and someone genuinely says the asking price is a 1st

And Dvorak gets destroyed in shot share every year relative to his team. He’s a detriment to his team. Negative value.

 

[pth2]

If the Leafs are going to make 2 or 3 moves at the deadline, why not just send Kerfoot in one of those packages to make the cap work? The other team won't complain about it too much if you are paying them the futures they want. Kerfoot could go in the ROR deal for example.



It depends on the Habs plan at 3C and we would want one of Dvorak or Monahan in that spot.

If we have plans to trade Monahan at the deadline, we will retain Dvorak cause we don't have NHL ready prospects and trying to fill that spot in UFA this summer likely means we pay someone the same as we are paying Dvorak.

If we have plans to extend Monahan, we can trade Dvorak but I find his value hard to nail down. He doesn't suck but is he a average 3C in the NHL? Not sure to be honest. He does play a good 200' game and good on faceoffs but he's not a puck possession type center. If we keep Monahan, I'm willing to bet we can trade Dvorak to free up cap for a low trade price. 2nd rounder maybe

Even with a re-signed Monahan... I'm not sure Dvorak gets moved if the best offer is only a 2nd. Habs have no immediate cap issues, and a #2B or #3A type center can be of great interest, I'd hold onto him until a team with a strong need for a top 9C offers at least a couple of 2nds. Also... the Habs have a lot of wingers in the system, and I'd just as well have Dvorak as an option to find a good fit for a winger with strong puck possession. A bit like Monahan, he could gel well with a winger who wants the puck on his stick.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Even with a re-signed Monahan... I'm not sure Dvorak gets moved if the best offer is only a 2nd. Habs have no immediate cap issues, and a #2B or #3A type center can be of great interest, I'd hold onto him until a team with a strong need for a top 9C offers at least a couple of 2nds. Also... the Habs have a lot of wingers in the system, and I'd just as well have Dvorak as an option to find a good fit for a winger with strong puck possession. A bit like Monahan, he could gel well with a winger who wants the puck on his stick.

There is a part of me that wonders.... If we end up doing a sign/trade for Dubois, we have Suzuki, Dubois, Monahan, and Dvorak and Evans and Dach on wing for next season.

Even if we win one of the lotteries, I think they should start on wing (Bedard or Fantilli). In Fantilli's case, I would prefer one more year of Junior or to start in the AHL if eligible.

 

[ToDavid]

I would rather use that cap space to re-sign Kampf for 3C, and he’ll likely come in well under $4.5m. Dvorak doesn’t really bring much to the table at that cap hit that the Leafs don’t have.

 

[ToDavid]

points accumulated is 1 aspect to evaluate a player, how are they at face-offs and playing defense?

Both are used regularly on the PK. To the extent you buy into these things, Kerfoot’s defensive metrics are much better but I’ll acknowledge he’s played most of this season with two very strong defensive forwards so probably hard to accurately isolate his impact, that said the coach is keeping him on that line for a reason. Dvorak is obviously a better centre, the Leafs have mostly given up on playing Kerfoot in the middle.

Tie goes to the C but he also makes an extra $1 million for two more years. At worst it’s very, very close. Anyone saying things like there’s “miles” between them, is delusional.

 

[TS Quint]

Even with a re-signed Monahan... I'm not sure Dvorak gets moved if the best offer is only a 2nd. Habs have no immediate cap issues, and a #2B or #3A type center can be of great interest, I'd hold onto him until a team with a strong need for a top 9C offers at least a couple of 2nds. Also... the Habs have a lot of wingers in the system, and I'd just as well have Dvorak as an option to find a good fit for a winger with strong puck possession. A bit like Monahan, he could gel well with a winger who wants the puck on his stick.

You want a winger to drive possession for your Centre? That’s a pretty tough ask.

 

[pth2]

There is a part of me that wonders.... If we end up doing a sign/trade for Dubois, we have Suzuki, Dubois, Monahan, and Dvorak and Evans and Dach on wing for next season.

Even if we win one of the lotteries, I think they should start on wing (Bedard or Fantilli). In Fantilli's case, I would prefer one more year of Junior or to start in the AHL if eligible.

To me, getting Dubois and getting a center in the top few picks are incompatible, unless the cost for Dubois (both in assets and $) is a clear bargain to the extent using him as a winger in a couple of seasons is ok.