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Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

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Catanddogguitarrr said:
Really? Can't you do do better than that? So you say that bad move was something good at the end because it is one of the reasons for MB to be fired?
So this is the new mantra, losing Danault was good because MB got fired.
Ok now but what happen next? The new genious GM will solve the problem of Dvorak by snapping his fingers? He will solve this problem so fast, nobody will see anything, lol.
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It was being sarcastic. It was such a disastrous move that it created something good: an accidental tank and MB getting himself fired.

From day one I wanted to keep Danault and didn't like losing him for nothing and then giving up a 1st and a 2nd for uknown Dvorak. I wasn't one of the ones that looked at Danault's goal column and unflinchingly said: Dvorak will be better than Danault. LMFAO at them.
 
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Haven't read through all the posts but when Dvorak gets his game, which seems to be happening now, he will be worth more then what was paid. a 18/18 2 way C on a cheap deal is worth at least what we paid. If he can get to 22/22, which he was pacing for his last 2 years with the Yotes, that deal looks even better.

Likely scenario is we get 2-4 years play out of him, and depending on where the team is at, he could still be moved for something in the range of the 30th OA pick + a second. I know MB made the move, but it is very good asset management.
 
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26Mats said:
It was being sarcastic. It was such a disastrous move that it created something good: an accidental tank and MB getting himself fired.

From day one I wanted to keep Danault and didn't like losing him for nothing and then giving up a 1st and a 2nd for uknown Dvorak. I wasn't one of the ones that looked at Danault's goal column and unflinchingly said: Dvorak will be better than Danault. LMFAO at them.
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Danult is having an amazing season in LA. 21 goals so far. + 16. And his usual good performance in the faceoffs circles. One of the best second line , two-way centers in the NHL. MB decided to give a big contract to Armia and sign Hoffman instead........ 8M $ of pure crap per season !
 
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WeThreeKings said:
1. Letting Danault walk was fine. I probably would have traded him at the deadline instead but we'd have missed on our miracle run so it is what it is.

2. If we signed Danault, we'd just be more mediocre than we are now. Danault is a valuable player but his value isn't with this team on its current direction that's been needed for 20 years.

3. KK's offer-sheet should have either been matched or walked away from with no subsequent trade for Dvorak. Find a stop-gap center anywhere else and deal with it. But we know this is the type of thing that happens when you have a lame duck GM involved.

4. Hopefully Dvorak gets his value back to be flipped because I don't think he fits with MSL & HuGo.
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I hope so too but I think we're dreaming. Which GM (other than Bozovin) would give us what we paid for this guy. No one, absolutely no one! He was a desperate signing and he is exactly what he has shown, a slow, soft 35 point forward. We got fleeced!
 
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Habano said:
I hope so too but I think we're dreaming. Which GM (other than Bozovin) would give us what we paid for this guy. No one, absolutely no one! He was a desperate signing and he is exactly what he has shown, a slow, soft 35 point forward. We got fleeced!
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Serious question...

Do you not like the player because MB traded for him, or because of his play? Because when I watch him play, objectively, he isn't particularly slow or soft. He is a pretty good two way C that can take tough assignments and chip in offensively. Playing at very close to a 20G pace the past three years, even with how bad this year started.

The dislike for Dvorak feels very much like that the dislike the board had for Chiarot and Eddy, who both are/were very productive players. Savard, who was panned, has looked great since coming back. I think Dvorak returns to being the player he was in Phoenix....most players with that many games revert to the mean - and this ends up being pretty good asset management. Unless you think a 2 way C, 19G average, on a 4.5MM deal is getting fleeced. The league says otherwise.
 
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japhi said:
Haven't read through all the posts but when Dvorak gets his game, which seems to be happening now, he will be worth more then what was paid. a 18/18 2 way C on a cheap deal is worth at least what we paid. If he can get to 22/22, which he was pacing for his last 2 years with the Yotes, that deal looks even better.

Likely scenario is we get 2-4 years play out of him, and depending on where the team is at, he could still be moved for something in the range of the 30th OA pick + a second. I know MB made the move, but it is very good asset management.
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What is this, 1920s?

36-44 points for 2C is absolutely terrible. He makes almost five millions in a year. That is not worth 1st + 2nd, we should be paid to acquire such contract.
 
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1909 said:
How can it be "fine" ? When you have a player like that, you keep him.
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Well he's gone, unfortunately, and what's done is done.

Suzuki is showing he's a 1c. Glad to see Evan's and Poehling playing well lately. Between them I think we'll have a good 3c. Just need to hopefully get a 1a/b C (center) in this year's draft. If we can do that, we'll be in a really good position going forward...

Long term, Dvorak can play wing or be traded.
 
26Mats said:
Well he's gone, unfortunately, and what's done is done.

Suzuki is showing he's a 1c. Glad to see Evan's and Poehling playing well lately. Between them I think we'll have a good 3c. Just need to hopefully get a 1a/b C (center) in this year's draft. If we can do that, we'll be in a really good position going forward...

Long term, Dvorak can play wing or be traded.
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Danault was the ideal #2 to give breathing space to Suzuki, like he is doing in LA for Kopitar.
Bergevin missed the boat badly on this one. As well as trading right away for Dvorak after KK's loss.
 
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1909 said:
Danault was the ideal #2 to give breathing space to Suzuki, like he is doing in LA for Kopitar.
Bergevin missed the boat badly on this one. As well as trading right away for Dvorak after KK's loss.
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I'd be ok with a Suzuki - Shane Wright/Logan Cooley 1-2 punch.
 
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Hoochi Papa said:
What is this, 1920s?

36-44 points for 2C is absolutely terrible. He makes almost five millions in a year. That is not worth 1st + 2nd, we should be paid to acquire such contract.
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Not sure I understand the 1920's reference?

And that is the market value for a 2 way C that paces at 19/19.

Last full season played, 18-19 there were 138 players that had more then 40 points. Remove D men and there were around 115 forwards. There are 180 or so players that play top 6 in the NHL.

I think you are in the wrong era pal, if you think that 4.5MM for 40 points AND PK usage AND regular strength defensive assignments is a bad deal? Paid to acquire that contract buddy you aren't even close. This board will be wrong like they were with Chiarot, Eddy and many others. Bergevin Derangement Syndrome is still alive and well.
 
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26Mats said:
Well he's gone, unfortunately, and what's done is done.

Suzuki is showing he's a 1c. Glad to see Evan's and Poehling playing well lately. Between them I think we'll have a good 3c. Just need to hopefully get a 1a/b C (center) in this year's draft. If we can do that, we'll be in a really good position going forward...

Long term, Dvorak can play wing or be traded.
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Why would he go to wing? He is 56% in the dot, starts 55% in his own end. We only have one better C then him, and he allows Suzuki to get all the gravy O zone opps.
 
japhi said:
Why would he go to wing? He is 56% in the dot, starts 55% in his own end. We only have one better C then him, and he allows Suzuki to get all the gravy O zone opps.
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Dvorak can take the draws.
 
japhi said:
Serious question...

Do you not like the player because MB traded for him, or because of his play? Because when I watch him play, objectively, he isn't particularly slow or soft. He is a pretty good two way C that can take tough assignments and chip in offensively. Playing at very close to a 20G pace the past three years, even with how bad this year started.

The dislike for Dvorak feels very much like that the dislike the board had for Chiarot and Eddy, who both are/were very productive players. Savard, who was panned, has looked great since coming back. I think Dvorak returns to being the player he was in Phoenix....most players with that many games revert to the mean - and this ends up being pretty good asset management. Unless you think a 2 way C, 19G average, on a 4.5MM deal is getting fleeced. The league says otherwise.
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You may think the league says otherwise but it doesn't. Seriously, ask yourself, would any GM give you a 1st and a 2nd for him today? Absolutely zero chance. However, Bozovin decided that a 35 point forward was worth that.

I'll take another Evans or Pitlick at almost 4mil. less any day over this guy. Both are 2 way centres and can skate circles around Dvorak. So he's better at face-offs but that's a steep price to pay in picks and salary for a few more face-off wins.

The fact is, he is a mid 30 point forward here and he was a mid 30 point forward in Arizona. How is him reverting back to his Arizona play any better?
 
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26Mats said:
It was being sarcastic. It was such a disastrous move that it created something good: an accidental tank and MB getting himself fired.

From day one I wanted to keep Danault and didn't like losing him for nothing and then giving up a 1st and a 2nd for uknown Dvorak. I wasn't one of the ones that looked at Danault's goal column and unflinchingly said: Dvorak will be better than Danault. LMFAO at them.
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Danault is a premier shut down player and could skate with anyone. I'd be worried putting the Dvorak line against guys like Mcdavid or Mackinnon because I don't think he can keep up with them.

Danault had a 53 point season, wasn't earning what Dvorak earns and the fans still shit all over him. I'm sure I complained about him once in a while but I never wanted him gone.
 
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MrNasty said:
Most people on here wanted Danault gone despite his playoff success. Thought his limited skill was holding the team back Same group wanted Weber and Price gone too. They got their wish of last place in the league.
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I would imagine that most people who wanted Danault/Weber/Price gone are actually quite happy with how things have turned out this season.
 
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26Mats said:
plus a selke like performance, but let's be objective and not mention that ;)
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lol selke performance. Playoff was all Price defensively. Stop this narrative. with a regular season Price we had last season if he kept like that and did not up his game into the playoff , we would have lost in 4 games against Toronto.

Also if you could describe Dvorak , he would be the vanilla of the vanilla. I don't see anything positive coming from that player in our org. He lack of everything and has no desire to play at all here.
 
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