Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

[domiwroze]

Here, for you boys, i kept this one.

It's my holy grail because it's so rare, but y'all deserves a break and a little smile for staying strong in these hard times.

 

[donghabs98]

Could he improve his speed over the summer or is he too old for such a thing?

With the team finally investing in skills and development coaching I wonder if a power skating coach will be hired too. Dvorak could definitely used such skating as his lack of speed really takes away from his game.

 

[donghabs98]

Still feel Dvorak is too slow for the style of play Hughes and St-Louis will try to implement but there's no need to rush a trade if we don't get enough value back. Wouldn't be surprise if he's trade in the offseason though.

Judging on the type of game Hughes wants, Dvorak doesnt fit the bill well. However he's on a decent contract and this season has been tough on a lot of players. I can see him being moved if the right offer comes along, but if not they could easily keep him. Its a pretty ideal spot to be in.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Playing well lately, showing a pulse, good on him

 

[Redux91]

I like him a lot honestly
Get him better wingers and the stats will look even better

But I absolutely love the fact he's out there on PK , PP (near the net which I love) and one of THE best Face off men in the NHL, check the replay on the game tying goal vs Devils

Never understood the hate that first 30 games we had no D or goalies

 

[Cookie007]

Like most of our guys, I do have to wonder what effect MSL has compared to DD to fully judge their play.. Hard to judge solely bases on their performance at the beginning of the season.

It's no coincidence that everyone with the exception of Petry, has stepped up their game under MSL. It really seem that the locker room with DD in charge was very bad and everyone either did not understand him or stopped playing for him. And it must be DD specifically, as all the Assistant Coaches remains.

 

[Sorinth]

The problem with pace stats , it's that they never keep that pace.

Sure but it works both ways, his 5 points in the first 17 games when everyone jumped on how much he sucks is also not a pace he was going to keep. What we don't know with Dvorak is whether his hot streak pace is 50 points, in which case he's maybe just a 40 point player, or his hot streak pace is 60 points in which case he's maybe a 50 point player. The final stretch of games will help produce a larger sample size so we can help determine whether it's a hot streak or not.

 

[angusyoung]

He is on a better pace than Kotkaniemi.

 

[Habs Halifax]

40-45 pts, faceoff prowess and pk play is worth 4,5 M$ for sure

Dvorak behind Suzuki during rebuild youth build up years is not a problem one bit. Someone we can flip when he has 1/2 years left or as a pending UFA at a later date. Until then, we need him on the roster cause the center depth behind Suzuki is thin.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sure but it works both ways, his 5 points in the first 17 games when everyone jumped on how much he sucks is also not a pace he was going to keep. What we don't know with Dvorak is whether his hot streak pace is 50 points, in which case he's maybe just a 40 point player, or his hot streak pace is 60 points in which case he's maybe a 50 point player. The final stretch of games will help produce a larger sample size so we can help determine whether it's a hot streak or not.

I think his point totals will come and go depending on usage and his wingers. You might get a really solid season from him in the trenches (faceoffs and 200' game) but he puts up 45 pts.

I would say he is a below average 2C and an above average 3C. If we were contending, you would want him at 3C.

 

[Sorinth]

I think his point totals will come and go depending on usage and his wingers. You might get a really solid season from him in the trenches (faceoffs and 200' game) but he puts up 45 pts.

I would say he is a below average 2C and an above average 3C. If we were contending, you would want him at 3C.

Personally I think it's a bit tough to say because we don't really know how much he was impacted by the DD effect. That's why it will be interesting to see how his production goes till the end of the season. He's not the useless player we saw the at beginning of the year, but he had started to produce even under Ducharme, then got injured and so has actually had very little time under MSL (7 games) where after a few pointless games coming back from injury now has a 4 game point streak going.

 

[Rob Sense]

And if we compare both of them with Danault?

Dvorak was brought in after the Kotkaniemi fiasco to fill the void. Danault was long gone. We could compare them all to Jean Beliveau at the same age???

 

[themilosh]

With the team finally investing in skills and development coaching I wonder if a power skating coach will be hired too. Dvorak could definitely used such skating as his lack of speed really takes away from his game.

I hope they are better than my Guy Lafleaur VHS cassette from the 80s

 

[dcyhabs]

Dvorak was brought in after the Kotkaniemi fiasco to fill the void. Danault was long gone. We could compare them all to Jean Beliveau at the same age???

The habs will need to get a good defensive third line in a year or two. Letting Danault go and refusing to recognize his value was pretty dumb. As with other good players MB was willing to fight over relatively small amounts despite having no real plan for the cap (if he had he wouldn't have been way below for years and then scraping the top), while giving generous contracts to good players who could never really hope to live up to them.

I expect Hughes will be better at negotiating but we'll see how he is about getting players to take less, that will be a change.

 

[aresknights]

I don't think so. Look up Dvorak smile. He smiled after like his first goal. Kind of when he was drafted.

That's literally it.

Having season tics in London I agree. The player just doesn't show alot of facial emotion. The post you responded to is reaching, looking for something thatcisnt there.
He may want out, or not (no idea) but his reaction after a goal isn't the key indicator.

 

[Rob Sense]

The habs will need to get a good defensive third line in a year or two. Letting Danault go and refusing to recognize his value was pretty dumb. As with other good players MB was willing to fight over relatively small amounts despite having no real plan for the cap (if he had he wouldn't have been way below for years and then scraping the top), while giving generous contracts to good players who could never really hope to live up to them.

I expect Hughes will be better at negotiating but we'll see how he is about getting players to take less, that will be a change.

Imagine these boards if we had signed Danault to $6M x5 and we were the bottom feeders we are now?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Imagine these boards if we had signed Danault to $6M x5 and we were the bottom feeders we are now?

It would have worked if MB had not paid Gallagher even more for previous seasons.

 

[1909]

Imagine these boards if we had signed Danault to $6M x5 and we were the bottom feeders we are now?

We would not.

 

[dcyhabs]

Imagine these boards if we had signed Danault to $6M x5 and we were the bottom feeders we are now?

It all depends on whether you consider him a key player on the team. I considered him a key player. At the time of Gallagher's signing I considered him to be key but he hasn't had much success since. Price is absolutely key, same with Subban and Weber, and all of their contracts turned out to include a lot of unproductive years, and, considering their ages, it is only a surprise for Subban. I don't think anyone thinks of Chiarot, Armia, Savard, Hoffman, Lekhonen, or Byron key. Petry and Edmundson, possibly, though less so this year.

I think you have to decide who your 5-6 key players are, keep them, and arrange the rest of the team and salary structure so that it works. I'd much rather have Danault at 6 million per year than Savard and Hoffman. MB was really sure that Danault was not a key player, and he's a professional GM while I don't know that much about hockey, so he may be right.

So I'd have been happy to have Danault at $6M x5, or even $7M x5, and if it were necessary to trade a player to do it I'd still be happy to have him at that salary. I would have tried a lot harder to keep guys like KK, Danault, Romanov, and Caufield happy than some of the other depth players. Evans looked really good as a secondary defensive option, and he looks good at times as the primary one, but he sure isn't Danault. A few key guys make the whole team better. Gallagher used to do that, Danault still does, most players don't. Even though he might not always play in the top 6 I consider Danault a key player, last year: Price, Weber, Danault, Suzuki, Petry, maybe one of Edmundson, Toffoli, Perry.

 

[Tyson]

I like Dvorak and I hope we don't cut ties too quickly

 

[Habby4Life]

I like Dvorak and I hope we don't cut ties too quickly

Dvorak will have a much better year next season. A lot of guys struggled with Dom.

 

[Habby4Life]

We would not.

PD would not have changed the outcome of this season - lol.

 

[Tyson]

Dvorak will have a much better year next season. A lot of guys struggled with Dom.

That's my thinking.

 

[Habby4Life]

I mean: what’s the point of celebrating Gallagher’s alleged leadership or Eddy’s or wanting Suzuki as captain if they can’t manage to integrate Dvorak into the squad after 60 games. That’s the bare minimum. Dvorak looks miserable out there.

Haha, what a stretch to try turn some imaginary issue into a Gallagher thing- LOL! FFS.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dvorak was brought in after the Kotkaniemi fiasco to fill the void. Danault was long gone. We could compare them all to Jean Beliveau at the same age???

Not so long gone. After all, Danault was right, he had some offensive side that wasn't considered from MB.
Go check Danault's stats with the Kings, he is having the best season of his carreer, he make produce Moore and Arvidson, two wingers that doesn't cost as much as Gallagher and Hoffman.
The questiong is : how many years Habs will take to replace adequatly a defensive C like Danault, he is a good second C, taking a lot of pressure and in the + (+16).
If you tell me Dvorak will replace adequatly Danault with skating school, expect me to laught because it's not true and surrealistic.