Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

[the valiant effort]

... wow

you really threw yourself deep into meaninglessness with this one

The Dvorak signing was a genius move. Another GM was flexing on us and disrespecting the franchise, so Bergevin called his bluff, let KK go and signed his replacement to send a signal to the world at large: no one is gonna push us around. Who cares about Dvorak's actual performance after that. The point was the Maestro's stoic response to Carolina's shenanigans and affront. Thank God the Bergevinator knew how to handle these punks.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

... wow

you really threw yourself deep into meaninglessness with this one

The Dvorak signing was a genius move. Another GM was flexing on us and disrespecting the franchise, so Bergevin called his bluff, let KK go and signed his replacement to send a signal to the world at large: no one is gonna push us around. Who cares about Dvorak's actual performance after that. The point was the Maestro's stoic response to Carolina's shenanigans and affront. Thank God the Bergevinator knew how to handle these punks.

The response of Carolina was after the terrible offer sheet that the pseudo clown of Bergevin gave to Aho. An absolute joke of a contract for a PPG player. Bergevin literally helped Carolina to save money on his deal with that atrocious offer. Yes it was easy to refuse KK hostile offer because he was not doing well , but guess what clown drafted him at #3 and painted the kid has the next Crosby because we drafted by need.

Bergevin was so out of this because he think he acted as a genius to save money on KK obvious overpayment and yet he went to f***ing sign Savard to replace Weber and gave Hoffman an albatross deal for a guy that nobody wants.

Also the Dvorak signing was not a genius move let alone the trade. Other teams did not want to give a first pick and only a 2nd who was reported by Lebrun and Fried. Bergevin did used his ''brain'' to overpay for anyone else because he could not handle KK development after another failure of a top 3 draft pick. Dvorak is probably the most vanilla player this team has never seen. He's a luxury third line center and can replace as a second center.

Also last season
Dvorak 56 games played 33 points 17:22 toi avg
Kotka 66 games played 29 points 12:01 toi avg

What a steal , atleast KK still have growth while Dvorak doesnt.

 

[Tyson]

... wow

you really threw yourself deep into meaninglessness with this one

The Dvorak signing was a genius move. Another GM was flexing on us and disrespecting the franchise, so Bergevin called his bluff, let KK go and signed his replacement to send a signal to the world at large: no one is gonna push us around. Who cares about Dvorak's actual performance after that. The point was the Maestro's stoic response to Carolina's shenanigans and affront. Thank God the Bergevinator knew how to handle these punks.

Is this sarcasm? Has to be.

 

[Doc McKenna]

The response of Carolina was after the terrible offer sheet that the pseudo clown of Bergevin gave to Aho. An absolute joke of a contract for a PPG player. Bergevin literally helped Carolina to save money on his deal with that atrocious offer. Yes it was easy to refuse KK hostile offer because he was not doing well , but guess what clown drafted him at #3 and painted the kid has the next Crosby because we drafted by need.

Bergevin was so out of this because he think he acted as a genius to save money on KK obvious overpayment and yet he went to f***ing sign Savard to replace Weber and gave Hoffman an albatross deal for a guy that nobody wants.

Also the Dvorak signing was not a genius move let alone the trade. Other teams did not want to give a first pick and only a 2nd who was reported by Lebrun and Fried. Bergevin did used his ''brain'' to overpay for anyone else because he could not handle KK development after another failure of a top 3 draft pick. Dvorak is probably the most vanilla player this team has never seen. He's a luxury third line center and can replace as a second center.

Also last season
Dvorak 56 games played 33 points 17:22 toi avg
Kotka 66 games played 29 points 12:01 toi avg

What a steal , atleast KK still have growth while Dvorak doesnt.

I mean don't get Devo and save the first would have been my plan. The entire team was blown up that summer, but it was a "genius move by the maestro"

 

[Tetragrammaton]

What's wrong with Dvorak? We gave up the 29th pick for him and Arizona drafted Lamoureux with that pick.

He's a fine player.

When you draft in that range you usually don't even get an NHLer...

He sucks is what’s wrong and looking at his face is depressing. There. He doesn’t fit on this team at all.

... wow

you really threw yourself deep into meaninglessness with this one

The Dvorak signing was a genius move. Another GM was flexing on us and disrespecting the franchise, so Bergevin called his bluff, let KK go and signed his replacement to send a signal to the world at large: no one is gonna push us around. Who cares about Dvorak's actual performance after that. The point was the Maestro's stoic response to Carolina's shenanigans and affront. Thank God the Bergevinator knew how to handle these punks.

KK > Dvorak. The Maestro should have just signed KK sooner instead of playing stupid games. That’s the problem with your maestro, he makes a good move just to turn around and match it with a dumb one, all while never having a clear direction or plan.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

The response of Carolina was after the terrible offer sheet that the pseudo clown of Bergevin gave to Aho. An absolute joke of a contract for a PPG player. Bergevin literally helped Carolina to save money on his deal with that atrocious offer. Yes it was easy to refuse KK hostile offer because he was not doing well , but guess what clown drafted him at #3 and painted the kid has the next Crosby because we drafted by need.

Bergevin was so out of this because he think he acted as a genius to save money on KK obvious overpayment and yet he went to f***ing sign Savard to replace Weber and gave Hoffman an albatross deal for a guy that nobody wants.

Also the Dvorak signing was not a genius move let alone the trade. Other teams did not want to give a first pick and only a 2nd who was reported by Lebrun and Fried. Bergevin did used his ''brain'' to overpay for anyone else because he could not handle KK development after another failure of a top 3 draft pick. Dvorak is probably the most vanilla player this team has never seen. He's a luxury third line center and can replace as a second center.

Also last season
Dvorak 56 games played 33 points 17:22 toi avg
Kotka 66 games played 29 points 12:01 toi avg

What a steal , atleast KK still have growth while Dvorak doesnt.

You win the internet today sir well done.

 

[Ezpz]

Not sure about that, Dvorak makes sense anyway because we lost Danault and KK, we needed a center, but I doubt he signs Hoffman knowing Weber and Price are done.

Weber was announced at that point as being "done", while Price was not confirmed to return in the season and had already had a setback or two they hadn't announced. It really seemed like Bergy was trying to keep his job in his last summer, knowing we'd tank hard without those two + Danault (Who coincidentally signs with the team Bergy joins months later). Even Savard, Paquette and Perreault were attempts to qualm the media's concerns after letting the only Francophone player walk (Drouin was on semi-permanent mental health leave with no indications whether he'd return or not).

It was a worse version of signing Gionta, Cammy and trading for Gomez.

 

[FerrisRox]

KK > Dvorak.

What are you basing that on?

 

[The Great Weal]

You'd be happy as hell to get a Dvorak that late in the draft.

Leblanc at 18
Tinordi at 22
Nate the Great at 17
McCarron at 25
Scherbak at 26
Juulsen at 26
Poehling at 25

I'll take Dvorak thank you very much...

It was actually the 27th OA, Arizona made a trade with San Jose. Shit for brains Timmins isn't here anymore and Mesar already looks better than all those guys. So ya I'd rather have a guy like Kulich AND our 2024 2nd over Dvorak.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

What are you basing that on?

On the fact that I would WAY rather have KK right now and it’s not even close. For a multitude of reasons.

KK is a more physical Eller. Dvorak sucks I’ve seen enough.

 

[TomKosto]

Can't believe we gave a 1+2 pick for that guy...

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He actually looks decent out there just doesn't have the counting stats that most people on here blindly regurgitate as an accurate measure of quality of play.

 

[FF de Mars]

On the fact that I would WAY rather have KK right now and it’s not even close. For a multitude of reasons.

I'd rather Dach than KK, and you can have only so many centers. Beck is coming up, too. Obviously Bin should have sold after the cup run and left a bunch of bad contracts. I get the irony too, he doesn't match KK's sheet but signs Gallagher and Hoffman... I called for a firesale the day they lost the finals, but people wouldn't hear it, even on this site, you know! Hindsight is 20-20, hindsight is hard to do. I'm happy with the way it's going now and there's some good and some bad from the moves Bin made. Savard for example is a great vet to have on D to pair with Guhle.

 

[The Great Weal]

On the fact that I would WAY rather have KK right now and it’s not even close. For a multitude of reasons.

KK is a more physical Eller. Dvorak sucks I’ve seen enough.

KK blows ass. The guy hasn't improved his athleticism since he got drafted, it's why he can't handle more minutes. Not saying Dvorak is much better or anything, but at least Dvorak showed something in Arizona, it just looks like he doesn't want to be here at all. Don't even get me started on that horrendous contract extension with KK. Both players are not very good except Dvorak has a better history of doing something.

Either way, this whole thing would have been avoided had we just drafted Tkachuk.

 

[Tyson]

Can't believe we gave a 1+2 pick for that guy...

Arizona fleeced the Berg on that one

 

[Captain Mountain]

KK blows ass. The guy hasn't improved his athleticism since he got drafted, it's why he can't handle more minutes. Not saying Dvorak is much better or anything, but at least Dvorak showed something in Arizona, it just looks like he doesn't want to be here at all. Don't even get me started on that horrendous contract extension with KK. Both players are not very good except Dvorak has a better history of doing something.

Either way, this whole thing would have been avoided had we just drafted Tkachuk.

You should probably watch KK this season before making statements like that. There's a reason he leads Carolina's forwards in 5v5 ice time. He doesn't look like you're describing him.

Carolina has just been doing what the Bergevin Habs refused to do and are actually doing proper player development. Thankfully HuGo and MSL care about that, which should prevent mistakes like KK (or what was close to happening with Caufield and Romanov) from being practically inevitable.

 

[The Great Weal]

You should probably watch KK this season before making statements like that. There's a reason he leads Carolina's forwards in 5v5 ice time. He doesn't look like you're describing him.

Carolina has just been doing what the Bergevin Habs refused to do and are actually doing proper player development. Thankfully HuGo and MSL care about that, which should prevent mistakes like KK (or what was close to happening with Caufield and Romanov) from being practically inevitable.

Ah you're right, these 5 games mean more than any other seasons of evidence I have, my bad. I also watched him against the Oilers and he was complete dog shit where he was the same player so I guess it's 4 games now.

You can further prevent mistakes by not drafting bad players. Shit drafting and shit development lead to shit results. Also while we are on the topic, Slaf looked worse than KK during their rookie preseason yet is still playing on the team and he's getting no PP time (people would have gone ballistic if this happened under the old regime). So you can't have it both ways, either Slaf and KK are being poorly developed, or KK sucks and Slaf looks more promising.

 

[Redux91]

I didn't mind him at first
But yeah, he's clearly checked out now lol
He's the prime candidate to trade atm, especially with all these recent changes to personel and center drafting/trading lol
I dont think he fits in the picture anymore
(Especially when it looks like Beck could be an NHLer as early as next year)

I trust Hughes to make another intelligent trade but I also wish he'd use him as ammo for a PLD trade lol

 

[Kennedys]

The most boring habs player since Ed Ronan

 

[MilesNewton]

I didn't mind him at first
But yeah, he's clearly checked out now lol
He's the prime candidate to trade atm, especially with all these recent changes to personel and center drafting/trading lol
I dont think he fits in the picture anymore
(Especially when it looks like Beck could be an NHLer as early as next year)

I trust Hughes to make another intelligent trade but I also wish he'd use him as ammo for a PLD trade lol

I would move him and possibly a defensemen but the defense is still too green to tell. Not sure if 1 of the three rookie phenoms is going to self destruct they looked rattled last night against Dallas all three of them. I think the upcoming road trip Buffalo,Blues and jets will be. very interesting to see who stays and who goes.

 

[jj cale]

Such a boring player, does very little for this team.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

On the fact that I would WAY rather have KK right now and it’s not even close. For a multitude of reasons.

KK is a more physical Eller. Dvorak sucks I’ve seen enough.

I prefer Eller and I wasn't a big fan of him. Unless KK have matured in Carolina, I doubt,
But I beleive in potential, to a certain degree. But easy on potential, I'm not a blind beleiver either.

Dvorak sucks. He doesn't help the team to improve and he doesn't help to tank enough. He's the in-between quality/mediocrity that made the Habs sucks for few decades. He's overpaid and he's signed too long term.
I would have been better to sign Danault. But now we have Dach and Monahan. We have prospect Beck and few others. Next draft we might land Bédard or another good one. The sooner Habs get rid of Dvo, the better it is. Dvo will take precious place of a young one.

 

[Cournoyer12]

I got a touch of consumption ya see!

 

[nhlfan9191]

I didn't mind him at first
But yeah, he's clearly checked out now lol
He's the prime candidate to trade atm, especially with all these recent changes to personel and center drafting/trading lol
I dont think he fits in the picture anymore
(Especially when it looks like Beck could be an NHLer as early as next year)

I trust Hughes to make another intelligent trade but I also wish he'd use him as ammo for a PLD trade lol

He didn’t sign long term with Arizona to be traded. He doesn’t want to be here.

 

[dcyhabs]

I mean don't get Devo and save the first would have been my plan. The entire team was blown up that summer, but it was a "genius move by the maestro"

Bergevin was up and down, some good, some bad, too much watching TSN but a few inspired moves. His last offseason couldn’t have been worse if he’d let a rival team do it for him.