Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

[Catanddogguitarrr]

It was bad situation. Got out of it best we could. Good chance Dvorak is traded at deadline.

Danault have 3 goals in 7 games.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I wouldn’t say Dvorak sucks. His contract is also fair in my opinion. I agree he’s horribly mediocre however. He’d be a nice touch on a good team that needs 3c.

I admire your optimistic. Not on a contender team. He's not better than average at this position and he cost too much for a 4c. He's not the type of 4c anyway. There are cheaper c in the league, unless they become very rare and expansive. I hope he start producing so at tdl he gain some value. MSL should place him with the best wingers available but not Caufield, lol.

 

[Tyson]

Danault have 3 goals in 7 games.

In what universe does a GM give Gallagher that contract and let's Danault walk?

 

[Tetragrammaton]

yeeh the pain is deep

Wow.. what is Dvorak even worth? He’s playing like a 4C.. nobody is gonna want him, what an epic failure by “the maestro”

In what universe does a GM give Gallagher that contract and let's Danault walk?

In “the maestro” universe. Just ask @BenchBrawl

 

[calder candidate]

It was bad situation. Got out of it best we could. Good chance Dvorak is traded at deadline.

If we got late 1st and 3rd for KK we gave a that pick (we gave the earliest of the two pick the top 10 protection saved us) and a
2nd in 2024 for Dvorak we paid more for Dvorak than we got for KK… It was a bad situation but two wrong don’t make a right, MB try to dig is way out of the hole, try to spin it ASAP, the best move would have been to take the picks and wait to see how you can use them no try to immediately make moves from a position of weakness. Trying to save face isn’t a hockey move.

will see what KH will be able to get for Dvorak but it will be hard to get better than the 1st/2nd that we gave…

 

[NORiculous]

Definitely can't make decisions based on the past. The past is the past. It's gone.

Having said that, there's no rush to trade Dvorak. His value can't get any lower, I don't think. And he's not hurting the team/we don't have anyone better to put in his spot. But if he continues not to produce at C, I'd consider putting him on the wing. He has the skills to complement either Suzuki and Caufield or Dach.

It’s over. He had to be traded in the summer to get something near what MB paid. It won’t come back up. His offense does not consistently translate in the NHL.

For the very few that thought his hot streak under MSL could actually be the norm… Now, even them know that he is nothing more then what he is: an average 3rd liner good at faceoffs that can get on a hot streak.

But there is unfortunately more downside because the problem is he can’t face opposition that is too good, as shown by his advanced stats.

So this results into that he shouldn’t really be used in key moments… (that’s when the toughest of opposition appears) which makes his faceoffs skills less attractive.

Hopefully he gets into a hot streak about a month and 1/2 before the trade deadline and it attracts a team that needs depth temporarily.

 

[NORiculous]

In what universe does a GM give Gallagher that contract and let's Danault walk?

Honestly, a lot of people were fooled and thought Gallagher was the one driving the line.

 

[26Mats]

It’s over. He had to be traded in the summer to get something near what MB paid. It won’t come back up. His offense does not consistently translate in the NHL.

For the very few that thought his hot streak under MSL could actually be the norm… Now, even them know that he is nothing more then what he is: an average 3rd liner good at faceoffs that can get on a hot streak.

But there is unfortunately more downside because the problem is he can’t face opposition that is too good, as shown by his advanced stats.

So this results into that he shouldn’t really be used in key moments… (that’s when the toughest of opposition appears) which makes his faceoffs skills less attractive.

Hopefully he gets into a hot streak about a month and 1/2 before the trade deadline and it attracts a team that needs depth temporarily.

Yeah, he hasn't shown me much - not good offensively to be a top 6 C, not good enough defensively to be a true really good shutdown C. Would a contender really want him as their 3c?

I think the best bet to get his value up is to see if he can produce on the wing with Suzuki and Caufield or with Dach. He has good skills for a winger: good along the wall, good around the net, has some complimentary offense in him.

 

[Wats]

Was hoping he put up some points to boost his value. Feel like Habs have to deal him to Philly for futures before they crumble. Like Danault, I believe he'll always retain some value. Teams need C.

Honestly, a lot of people were fooled and thought Gallagher was the one driving the line.

Danault was always going to have value too just by virtue of being a good defensive C that can win faceoffs. That alone would retain value late into his career. Gallagher on the other hand loses all value the moment he can't generate high volume shots...which has happened so damn soon.

 

[The Great Weal]

MB couldn’t match because KK did want to resign in MTL after being bench in the finals. He would have been stuck in the same situation the following year.

The issue was trading for Dvorak on at the same day of not matching KK, He was trading from a position of weakness trying to fill the gap ASAP.

KK could still be a player but 8years at almost 5M won’t be a easy contract to live up too… Especially with everything thing that happen it a big media storm to handle for such a young guy, also with everyone have fight management for every dime in CAR and KK get handed the bag it must be weird, it isn’t a great environment to perform.

Dvorak isn’t much of a play maker he is more of a shooter / good in front of the net. he need to start producing to improve is value but he is a reliable player and great on faceoff snd the contract is manageable so he will always have so baseline value to a playoff team.

I think the biggest mistake was MB and management not doing a good enough job of making sure Dvorak wants to play here. That is a big thing when it comes to trading for a player. If a player doesn't really want to play for your team, no matter how good they are, why would you want them? Of course, there are exceptions where a project/washed up vet is working his ass off no matter what team because they are in their contract years, but that wasn't the case with Dvorak. Technically a 1st+2nd for the Dvorak that played in Arizona isn't bad or good (many Yotes fans were dissatisfied with the return), but this boring vanilla Dvorak that doesn't care won't be getting that type of return.

 

[Runner77]

I think the biggest mistake was MB and management not doing a good enough job of making sure Dvorak wants to play here. That is a big thing when it comes to trading for a player. If a player doesn't really want to play for your team, no matter how good they are, why would you want them? Of course, there are exceptions where a project/washed up vet is working his ass off no matter what team because they are in their contract years, but that wasn't the case with Dvorak. Technically a 1st+2nd for the Dvorak that played in Arizona isn't bad or good (many Yotes fans were dissatisfied with the return), but this boring vanilla Dvorak that doesn't care won't be getting that type of return.

Might a western conference team that was more familiar with the old Dvorak, be tempted? The issue for me are the two extra contract years after this season.

Not sure most teams would be able to absorb his cap hit without the cap going up.

 

[calder candidate]

I think the biggest mistake was MB and management not doing a good enough job of making sure Dvorak wants to play here. That is a big thing when it comes to trading for a player. If a player doesn't really want to play for your team, no matter how good they are, why would you want them? Of course, there are exceptions where a project/washed up vet is working his ass off no matter what team because they are in their contract years, but that wasn't the case with Dvorak. Technically a 1st+2nd for the Dvorak that played in Arizona isn't bad or good (many Yotes fans were dissatisfied with the return), but this boring vanilla Dvorak that doesn't care won't be getting that type of return.

That is a very good point Dvorak likely didn’t want to be traded to MTL but at the same time ARizona didn’t have to trade him and they knew MB was in a pickle and they made this trade still… So they fell like the return was good enough, although they and MB probably didn’t expect MTL to finish bottom 10, both probably expected the pick in the 12-20 range. 1st and 2nd for a reliable mid 6 center is not outrageous for a playoff contending team but MTL was a fringe playoff team to begin with.

 

[Nedved]

I like Dvorak. He makes me think of Lehkonen and Eller. A couple of guys that looked better on another team. He's still young, but probably not worth his current price tag.

 

[The Great Weal]

Might a western conference team that was more familiar with the old Dvorak, be tempted? The issue for me are the two extra contract years after this season.

Not sure most teams would be able to absorb his cap hit without the cap going up.

That is a very good point Dvorak likely didn’t want to be traded to MTL but at the same time ARizona didn’t have to trade him and they knew MB was in a pickle and they made this trade still… So they fell like the return was good enough, although they and MB probably didn’t expect MTL to finish bottom 10, both probably expected the pick in the 12-20 range. 1st and 2nd for a reliable mid 6 center is not outrageous for a playoff contending team but MTL was a fringe playoff team to begin with.

I really doubt they expected the 1st to be that high otherwise they wouldn’t have made the conditions that severe. Arizona was just teasing any veteran (Kuemper, OEL, Garland) so I don’t see it as them thinking they were robbing us blind.

 

[Runner77]

I really doubt they expected the 1st to be that high otherwise they wouldn’t have made the conditions that severe. Arizona was just teasing any veteran (Kuemper, OEL, Garland) so I don’t see it as them thinking they were robbing us blind.

I seem to recall how Arizona’s then GM expressed relief after having found a taker for Dvorak, a taker who was willing to shed a 1st rounder. You’ll recall that several teams balked at giving up a 1st rounder and Arizona wouldn’t budge without getting one.

And if that wasn’t enough, we also ended up coughing up a 2nd rounder in a deep draft.

 

[Hoochi Papa]

How the mighty fall. Just months ago you'd have to pay a king's ransom for his excellence, according to few writers in here.

 

[CHfan1]

I seem to recall how Arizona’s then GM expressed relief after having found a taker for Dvorak, a taker who was willing to shed a 1st rounder. You’ll recall that several teams balked at giving up a 1st rounder and Arizona wouldn’t budge without getting one.

And if that wasn’t enough, we also ended up coughing up a 2nd rounder in a deep draft.

 

[calder candidate]

I really doubt they expected the 1st to be that high otherwise they wouldn’t have made the conditions that severe. Arizona was just teasing any veteran (Kuemper, OEL, Garland) so I don’t see it as them thinking they were robbing us blind.

They probably didn’t think they were robbing us blind but they made the move because they like what was offered, they had the condition but still they probably expected better than 29th…

 

[Belial]

I think the biggest mistake was MB and management not doing a good enough job of making sure Dvorak wants to play here. That is a big thing when it comes to trading for a player. If a player doesn't really want to play for your team, no matter how good they are, why would you want them? Of course, there are exceptions where a project/washed up vet is working his ass off no matter what team because they are in their contract years, but that wasn't the case with Dvorak. Technically a 1st+2nd for the Dvorak that played in Arizona isn't bad or good (many Yotes fans were dissatisfied with the return), but this boring vanilla Dvorak that doesn't care won't be getting that type of return.

Dvorak was not smiling more in Arizona, he's been looking like this his whole career.

You're just speculating here that he doesn't want to be here.

He's working hard out there, I don't see him floating or playing soft.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Dvorak was not smiling more in Arizona, he's been looking like this his whole career.

You're just speculating here that he doesn't want to be here.

He's working hard out there, I don't see him floating or playing soft.

He doesn’t generate anything, looks like a 4th line player, he’s worth about 2 million. No team will want him.

 

[Belial]

He doesn’t generate anything, looks like a 4th line player, he’s worth about 2 million. No team will want him.

We're 6 games in, mate.

Playing with Dadonov and Gallagher clearly doesn't help as those guys can't pass to save their life.

Dvorak finished the last season strong under MSL, it's gonna come IMO.

Dvorak needs a winger that can make plays and pass the puck as he usually likes to go to the net and is more of a shot-first center than a playmaker.

I'd try Drouin on that line instead of Dadonov.

 

[HuGort]

2 more years after this one for 4.5 million? He better start showing something that would attract a contender soon.

I can't think of one single moment where he almost scored or set up a goal in 6 games.

Thank God the rookies have stepped up because most of the vets damn sure haven't.

Dvorak was a lot of interest in him last deadline. He likely gone at this deadline. Probably to team like Sharks trying to move Karlsson contract. Habs need help at right D. Hoffman probably go in deal also. Could be summer trade though, more caproom then.

If I was GM I would trade for Karlsson next summer, sign a UFA like Dumba. Savard traded for a first this deadline. Edmunston also. Gives me a top 10 pick and 4 first round picks altogether in this draft. Keep Barron and Mailloux tudoring in Laval until '24. Unless they really step up. Probably use one of those late first on Strbak.

 

[The Great Weal]

Dvorak was not smiling more in Arizona, he's been looking like this his whole career.

You're just speculating here that he doesn't want to be here.

He's working hard out there, I don't see him floating or playing soft.

He worked way harder in Arizona, he doesn't do anything for us. He's not the same player.

 

[Belial]

He worked way harder in Arizona, he doesn't do anything for us. He's not the same player.

Not seeing it honestly...

MSL relies on him heavily defensively.

He's the guy with the most defensive starts on the team at 5on5.

I think MSL is fine with Dvorak so far.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Not seeing it honestly...

MSL relies on him heavily defensively.

He's the guy with the most defensive starts on the team at 5on5.

I think MSL is fine with Dvorak so far.

Looks like you’re ready to go down with the Dvorak ship, no clue why you like this player, he’s garbage. Let’s see how long you defend him. 6 games in and counting.