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Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

Belial said:
Not seeing it honestly...

MSL relies on him heavily defensively.

He's the guy with the most defensive starts on the team at 5on5.

I think MSL is fine with Dvorak so far.
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I havent been able to watch much.

Does MSL use him on the pp? He should. He's good around the net, in corners and on faceoffs.
 
Golden Serpent said:
The pp is bad enough as is let’s not make it worse and decades. The last tinme it was good was with Saku and Souray. Saku was energetic, he was more cranked in pp and the puck was moving fast.
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The actual pp needs a puck moving fast and not players who are both skates in ciment like Off-Man. Our actual pp is predictable and slow. Dvorak can't help with his slow feet movement. He must show some energy to earn his spot on pp. Maybe later in december but right now he's ice cold.
 
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26Mats said:
He's actually a good net front presence or high slot player.

I want to move him. But I'm not going to invent false narratives to denigrate him.
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Monahan can be in front of the net. What you suggest is second wave spot but I think Dach can do that job too. Dach is younger and he need to improve. Dvo is what he is now. No improvement and I don't think he fits in any future rebuilt except a temporary gap.
 
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Golden Serpent said:
I disagree, I don’t see anything good at all about his game. He’s a 4th line player to me, has no speed, no shot, no vision, nothing there.
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Some people are saying he's a vanilla hockey player. That's an insult to vanilla because the natural vanilla taste so good. Let's agree he's the artificial flavor vanilla player.
 
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calder candidate said:
If we got late 1st and 3rd for KK we gave a that pick (we gave the earliest of the two pick the top 10 protection saved us) and a
2nd in 2024 for Dvorak we paid more for Dvorak than we got for KK… It was a bad situation but two wrong don’t make a right, MB try to dig is way out of the hole, try to spin it ASAP, the best move would have been to take the picks and wait to see how you can use them no try to immediately make moves from a position of weakness. Trying to save face isn’t a hockey move.

will see what KH will be able to get for Dvorak but it will be hard to get better than the 1st/2nd that we gDvorak solid third line center, faceoff artist, 17-18 goals, size down the middle. A late first roughly going rate.
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calder candidate said:
If we got late 1st and 3rd for KK we gave a that pick (we gave the earliest of the two pick the top 10 protection saved us) and a
2nd in 2024 for Dvorak we paid more for Dvorak than we got for KK… It was a bad situation but two wrong don’t make a right, MB try to dig is way out of the hole, try to spin it ASAP, the best move would have been to take the picks and wait to see how you can use them no try to immediately make moves from a position of weakness. Trying to save face isn’t a hockey move.

will see what KH will be able to get for Dvorak but it will be hard to get better than the 1st/2nd that we gave…
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Dvorak solid third line center. Faceoff artist, 17-18 goals with size down the middle. A late first going rate.
 
Scorey Perry said:
Think maybe same GM who acquired Danault for Dale Weise?
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Bergy often liked the shiny new toy, whether Shaw, Drouin, Peca, Danault.

But he is a guy who seems to have held grudges once a player got on his wrong side.

And both Danault and KK got on his wrong side, Radulov too.
 
BaseballCoach said:
Bergy often liked the shiny new toy, whether Shaw, Drouin, Peca, Danault.

But he is a guy who seems to have held grudges once a player got on his wrong side.

And both Danault and KK got on his wrong side, Radulov too.
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We lost Danault, KK and Tatar and they have been replaced by Dvorak, Hoffman, Perreault and Paquette. These two last ones it was only because they were french speaking. Why Bergy didn't like Danault, like 90% of this board?
Why Bergy never made a reasonable offer to KK and Danault during the season? He never spoke to their agents during the season, why? Dvorak cost KK, a 1rst and a 3rd. Dvorak made Gallagher look miserable last year. No other center made Gally look that bad in his career.
 
Golden Serpent said:
I disagree, I don’t see anything good at all about his game. He’s a 4th line player to me, has no speed, no shot, no vision, nothing there.
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He's playing with Dadonov and Gallagher bud. Not a perfect center but lets not stretch it to 4th line quality.

Dvorak is a great 3C (above average) but a below average 2C. This kind of type is going to do the boring things that don't get credit. He's better than what some are dwelling on. Nothing to brag about but nothing to devalue either.

I was expecting him to take a step forward with the Habs cause he is still in his prime but it appears that what you see is what you get at this stage.
 
Habs Halifax said:
He's playing with Dadonov and Gallagher bud. Not a perfect center but lets not stretch it to 4th line quality.

Dvorak is a great 3C (above average) but a below average 2C. This kind of type is going to do the boring things that don't get credit. He's better than what some are dwelling on. Nothing to brag about but nothing to devalue either.

I was expecting him to take a step forward with the Habs cause he is still in his prime but it appears that what you see is what you get at this stage.
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Doesn’t matter who his wingers are he doesn’t generate much offense for them passing wise. I wouldn’t call him a great 3C, the only thing he does well is faceoffs. Declining 3C. Mediocre 2C at best. Not a guy I would want on my team personally. I hope we can swindle someone into taking him.

Hoping he starts playing better soon so we can possibly get a bit of value in a trade. Next season we’ll hopefully have Dubois as a real 2C and maybe Beck as a far superior 3C then Dvorak.
 
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Golden Serpent said:
Doesn’t matter who his wingers are he doesn’t generate much offense for them passing wise. I wouldn’t call him a great 3C, the only thing he does well is faceoffs. Declining 3C. Mediocre 2C at best. Not a guy I would want on my team personally. I hope we can swindle someone into taking him.

Hoping he starts playing better soon so we can possibly get a bit of value in a trade. Next season we’ll hopefully have Dubois as a real 2C and maybe Beck as a far superior 3C then Dvorak.
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It matters who his wingers are. He's not a top end 2C type that carries his line mates.
 
Habs Halifax said:
It matters who his wingers are. He's not a top end 2C type that carries his line mates.
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We don’t have good wingers to waste on him, Dach deserves the best available ones after Suzuki.

I wish he was good, I wish it panned out, but it was a horrible mistake. Kotkaniemi should be our 3C and we should have that 2nd round pick back.

Maybe a contender with some extra play making wingers would want him?
 
Golden Serpent said:
I disagree, I don’t see anything good at all about his game. He’s a 4th line player to me, has no speed, no shot, no vision, nothing there.
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I think he can produce onnthe wing with good offensive players - and onbthe pp inbfront of the net or in the high slot.

Catanddogguitarrr said:
Monahan can be in front of the net. What you suggest is second wave spot but I think Dach can do that job too. Dach is younger and he need to improve. Dvo is what he is now. No improvement and I don't think he fits in any future rebuilt except a temporary gap.
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Well if we want to move him, we need to get his trade value up and playing him on the pp should help his numbers. He can also play high slot.
 
He was used as a bumper on ARI's PP. I find Dvorak pretty valuable for the Habs right now. Suzuki, Dach and Evans get easier matchup because of Dvorak until Evans (or someone else) can take harder matchups. It helps Suzuki and Caufield to spend more time in the offensive zone.

No doubt that he'll be traded eventualy, but I'm liking his role right now. Doubt we'll get as much as we spent to get him, but he's useful to facilitate the development of the young players... like Edmunson was supposed to.
 
What's done is done, I don't really care how much it cost to get this guy as long as he's gone by 2023 summer at latest.

I'd be surprised if we can get anything better than a 2nd from him at this point. It's not like the chiarot situation where he just came off a SCF building a reputation as a playoff bruiser.

There is nothing special to Dvo. A 2nd or a 3rd and I'm happy. We just can't have him on this team much longer there is too much youth competing for roster spots
 
Golden Serpent said:
We don’t have good wingers to waste on him, Dach deserves the best available ones after Suzuki.

I wish he was good, I wish it panned out, but it was a horrible mistake. Kotkaniemi should be our 3C and we should have that 2nd round pick back.

Maybe a contender with some extra play making wingers would want him?
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And missing that 2nd round pick in 2024 limits the offer sheets they can make.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Dvorak is a great 3C (above average) but a below average 2C. This kind of type is going to do the boring things that don't get credit. He's better than what some are dwelling on. Nothing to brag about but nothing to devalue either.
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I don’t agree.

He does nothing above 3rd liner average, except maybe faceoffs.

Dvorak is an average 3rd liner (at best). The problem is he can look good but a deeper look shows he drives possession against weaker opposition. Has a tough time doing it against tougher opposition.

However, his faceoff skills can’t be maximized because of this, since key situations are played by the toughest of opposition.

He has had many opportunities to translate his offensive game to the NHL but has only been able to hit an occasional hot streak, as he did last year under MSL. But he has played too many NHL games (400ish) and is soon turning 27 already… so the probability he breaks out are slim to none.

Nothing has changed in his game. He will hit a hot streak at some point and end with 38ish points.
 
Dvorak is clearly the odd man out, there no reason to keep bashing him, he is a reliable player with ok size, win faceoff, clearly it isn’t working with Gallagher, there isn’t too many other options, production should pickup at some point but has long as he is working hard, take the defensive role so the other can focus on offense, reliable and win faceoff a playoff team will have room for him, clearly more production will help improve is value but team that are acquiring him won’t be doing it only for is offensive contribution.
 
DAChampion said:
They might try and trade Dvorak at 50% retained (where his value should be ok) to open a roster spot for Beck/Mesar/whoever they draft next year at $850,000.
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I’ll believe it when I see it. Hughes stated he’s only retaining on expiring contracts.
 
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