Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

[Tetragrammaton]

I hope HuGo can get something for him at the draft.

Why? We need him and he’s on a very good deal..

 

[NORiculous]

Why? We need him and he’s on a very good deal..

Why do the Habs need him exactly? Evans and Poehling can play.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Why do the Habs need him exactly? Evans and Poehling can play.

Evans is a 4th line player. Poehling is much better suited for the wing, big fast and great board play, he would compliment Suzuki and Caufield perfectly a la Eric Cole.

 

[NORiculous]

Evans is a 4th line player. Poehling is much better suited for the wing, big fast and great board play, he would compliment Suzuki and Caufield perfectly a la Eric Cole.

No. Poehling does not belong with Suzuki and Caufield. I don’t see it anyway.

I much rather get something for Dvorak. We can get an old 3rd liner for a year if Evans is over his head but I think he can do it, for now.

Obviously if the Habs get Wright and he immediately breaks out, then things could change a little but I’d still give Evans a shot at it.

 

[Apfel Struble]

Why do the Habs need him exactly? Evans and Poehling can play.

Since MSL took over, Dvorak is 1st in P/60 on the Habs (min 10 ES points) and 27th in the league. I think he had some puck luck to be quite honest and this kind of even strength production may be unsustainable for him but he's been very solid

He has produced at a 0.77P/GP rate which is good for around 60 points. He's been by far the 3rd best forward on the Habs since the trade deadline. It is important to note that his even strength production was not tied to Caufield or Suzuki. He had to work with Gallagher and Hoffman for the most part. If he stays healthy next season, a 55-60 points season is doable IMO. I don't think neither Evans nor Poehling will ever get here let's be real.

I wouldn't trade him except for a kings ransom, a return similar or higher to what we got for Pacioretty: an A to A+ prospect, a good NHLer and a 2nd or 2 1st and a B+ prospect

A contender or pretender with low Center depth should be all over him. I don't doubt for a second we'll get way more than what we paid to acquire him; this was a surprisingly bad trade for the Yotes

 

[WickedPegJets]

Evans is a 4th line player. Poehling is much better suited for the wing, big fast and great board play, he would compliment Suzuki and Caufield perfectly a la Eric Cole.

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[BLNY]

I've got no issue keeping D-vo. Like a number of guys, he played a lot better after MSL came in. He was also better after his extended absence due to injury. Despite a poor first half, his numbers projected to 48 points in 82 games. That's solid production from a middle six center. He wins draws, can play up the middle of the ice and along the boards.

There are other roster players that are a greater priority to move on from.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

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Ya thanks Captain Grammar you saved the day once again.

Do you have an opinion or something to say about the content of my post?

 

[NORiculous]

If he stays healthy next season, a 55-60 points season is doable IMO.

People have been saying that for years about Dvorak. He always seems to have another gear but it never comes trough. Yotes tried him with Keller and he wasn’t really more productive, etc.

Let’s not forget he will turn 27 next year, has been in the league since 2016 and has almost 400 games under his belt. Sure a 60 pts/year could happen but it looks unlikely that he can actually sustain this pace for a full year.

 

[Apfel Struble]

People have been saying that for years about Dvorak. He always seems to have another gear but it never comes trough. Yotes tried him with Keller and he wasn’t really more productive, etc.

Let’s not forget he will turn 27 next year, has been in the league since 2016 and has almost 400 games under his belt. Sure a 60 pts/year could happen but it looks unlikely that he can actually sustain this pace for a full year.

I agree but at the same time 60 points this season is like 45-50 points 7 years ago. Offence is at its highest in 27 years; there are around 50 players with 1 point per game this season. He can do it in the current NHL IMO

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Why do the Habs need him exactly? Evans and Poehling can play.

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Dvorak is a way better player than either of them.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I hope HuGo can get something for him at the draft.

I don't think they have any intention of dealing him.

 

[JianYang]

31 points in 55 games are decent numbers. He's on pace for 50 points in full season. Should fetch good return at trade deadline

I'd be more interested in seeing his splits pre and post ducharme.

 

[Tyson]

Inexpensive contract and he is a decent player.
Under MSL he was lights out better than under DD.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Evans is a 4th line player. Poehling is much better suited for the wing, big fast and great board play, he would compliment Suzuki and Caufield perfectly a la Eric Cole.

Evans has definitely looked like a solid 3rd liner since St. Louis came.
9 goals and 22 pts in the last 40.

 

[1909]

Until the final year of his contract, he won't be the kind of player who is moved at the TDL. But he could have value if we wanted to move him for a player in a position of need. Problem is, right now C is one of our positions of need. I'd love to ame a "free trade" for Dvorak as a 3C by ge3tting a top-6 guy to complement Suzuki.

Habs org are saying they don't have the cap to sign a (#2) UFA centerman . They gonna draft Wright (if they could) or give the job back to Dvorak next season.

But they might use Poehling in a trade to get another youngish winger who can play middle-six.

 

[CAUFIELD]

The draft will indicate a lot I think.

If the habs draft a C at this draft (Wright), I could see Dvorak traded in the next 2 years. Dvorak value will probably be high and I think evans is a 3rd line C if he can stay healthy.

In 2 years at C
Suzuki
Wright
Evans

If the Habs draft a Winger (Slaf) or DEfenseman (Nemec,Jiricek)

I could see Dvorak sticking with the team longer because we really have nothing in the pipeline atm.

Suzuki
Dvorak
Evans

 

[BaseballCoach]

Ya thanks Captain Grammar you saved the day once again.

Do you have an opinion or something to say about the content of my post?

Personally I was very content with your post-season comment. It was golden.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Did you see why Evan's and Dvorak were on the ice at the same time?

Was one of them playing wing?

I ask because when we get a 2c (probably in the draft) two of Evans, Poehling and Dvorak will have to play wing if they want to stay in the top 9. I think all three would actually be on the wing.

Poehling-Suzuki-Caufield
Farrell/Kidney/Roy-Wright/Cooley-Anderson
Pitlick-Dvorak-Gallagher
Heineman/Mysak-Evans-Ylonen

 

[26Mats]

Poehling-Suzuki-Caufield
Farrell/Kidney/Roy-Wright/Cooley-Anderson
Pitlick-Dvorak-Gallagher
Heineman/Mysak-Evans-Ylonen

I like this except for Anderson. We need some size in the lineup. But his puck skills kill so many plays...

Whether we in fact do draft wright or Cooley, we'll definitely be adding a top 6 center sometime in the next few years.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Evans has definitely looked like a solid 3rd liner since St. Louis came.
9 goals and 22 pts in the last 40.

That’s pretty good actually

 

[NORiculous]

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Dvorak is a way better player than either of them.

How is that useful? You want the Habs to finish 20th?

Like I said, unless the Habs get Wright and he immediately breaks out, they would be better with picks and letting Evans play the role.

If Evans can’t, then sign any old guy for 2 years that the team won’t mind benching if a kid gets hot. (It won’t reduce his value either, which will happen with Dvorak if Evans plays more).

I don’t know how Dvo is in the room but I still think the picks are worth more to the Habs right now in most circumstances.

 

[417]

Bergevin mismanaged Danault and there is no way to spin it. Danault would have not left if we valued him the same as Petry and Gallagher or at least gave him the same respect level. All we had to do was offer him $5.5M for 8 years from the get go but this "He's only worth $4M max and is a 3C" narrative was BS.

When both the GM and fans throw you under the bus, you can't blame the player for wanting out. There are fans in our herd who would criticize Bergevin for this but ignore what they said towards Danault as well.

The mistake was signing Gallagher before Danault…and then they signed Toffoli, that was pretty much the end of Danault signing with the Habs.

Either way, I’m not mad he’s gone…I also don’t think they threw him under the bus. You can’t sign everyone, decisions have an impact and some of the decisions the previous GM executed, made re-signing Danault less and less likely.

He’s a very valuable player and he’s slotted in perfectly with the Kings, but the Habs are going in a different direction, Danault on this roster would cover a lot of the critical flaws they have.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I like this except for Anderson. We need some size in the lineup. But his puck skills kill so many plays...

Whether we in fact do draft wright or Cooley, we'll definitely be adding a top 6 center sometime in the next few years.

Ideally we can add a winger to pair with Wright/Cooley in the mid first via trade up. Someone like Kulich. They can plug into that Anderson spot and Anderson can replace someone else in the bottom 6.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

How is that useful? You want the Habs to finish 20th?

Like I said, unless the Habs get Wright and he immediately breaks out, they would be better with picks and letting Evans play the role.

If Evans can’t, then sign any old guy for 2 years that the team won’t mind benching if a kid gets hot. (It won’t reduce his value either, which will happen with Dvorak if Evans plays more).

I don’t know how Dvo is in the room but I still think the picks are worth more to the Habs right now in most circumstances.

The picks are definitely not worth more than Dvorak. That's ridiculous.

Also, there is no chance that Dvorak takes you from last to 20th. This is also ridiculous.

It's completely delusional to think that an NHL team will trade a young, performing two-way center that's cost-controlled for a bunch of years in the name of improving their draft positions or a couple of picks. No team would do that unless the player wanted out.