Value of: Chris Tanev
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dellzor- Yeah right... 
I would argue that its the complete opposite. JT Miller got 32 pts in 45 games, but he is only playing on a top 2 line 5 on 5. His PP time is only 01:14 per game. He is 11th overall in 5 on 5 scoring among LWs, and would undoubtedly get more if he played a bigger role on the PP.
Taylor Hall has played 708 minutes this season, while JT Miller has played 721 minutes. Hall's ice time is of much higher quality, more than double the amount of PP time etc.
NJ and NYR play each other what, 6 times per season? Watch any game between the two, who is the better player? Who has more of an impact on the game? In the end, Hall and Miller are a bit different players. Hall got a few plays in him that not Miller -- nor many others -- in this league have. For sure, for some/many/most teams Hall might have an edge on Miller (remember tough that JT is 3 years younger, with no concussion history, and already is doing better than Hall in this league, while paid just like a little more than a third of what Hall is making, just sayin).
That is really not my point, I was just answering to a poster asking what a rebuilding team would use Miller for. Lol, I can guarantee that Vancouver -- won't come close -- to getting anyone else in remotely close to JT Miller's caliber if they move Tanev. Right, you must agree with me on that? Like would Detroit trade Larkin for him or what? Winnipeg moving Ehlers for Tanev? No way. Who would even come close to topping an offer built around Miller? I just can't see anyone coming close to it. Maybe someone like Drouin could be moved, but I would definitely like to argue that Miller is as valuable as Drouin.
I would argue that its the complete opposite. JT Miller got 32 pts in 45 games, but he is only playing on a top 2 line 5 on 5. His PP time is only 01:14 per game. He is 11th overall in 5 on 5 scoring among LWs, and would undoubtedly get more if he played a bigger role on the PP.
Taylor Hall has played 708 minutes this season, while JT Miller has played 721 minutes. Hall's ice time is of much higher quality, more than double the amount of PP time etc.
NJ and NYR play each other what, 6 times per season? Watch any game between the two, who is the better player? Who has more of an impact on the game? In the end, Hall and Miller are a bit different players. Hall got a few plays in him that not Miller -- nor many others -- in this league have. For sure, for some/many/most teams Hall might have an edge on Miller (remember tough that JT is 3 years younger, with no concussion history, and already is doing better than Hall in this league, while paid just like a little more than a third of what Hall is making, just sayin).
That is really not my point, I was just answering to a poster asking what a rebuilding team would use Miller for.
Lol, I can guarantee that Vancouver -- won't come close -- to getting anyone else in remotely close to JT Miller's caliber if they move Tanev. Right, you must agree with me on that? Like would Detroit trade Larkin for him or what? Winnipeg moving Ehlers for Tanev? No way. Who would even come close to topping an offer built around Miller? I just can't see anyone coming close to it. Maybe someone like Drouin could be moved, but I would definitely like to argue that Miller is as valuable as Drouin.But to take a step back and be fair, I am not valuing Virtanen high. Don't necessary see him as a bust like say McIlrath or Kassian, but I definitely think he is heading towards a 4th line much more than in the direction of a top 9 role.
To be honest, I don't think there is much room to laugh at JT Miller for Chris Tanev. But given that Jake V was a high pick just a few years ago, I can understand others holding him much higher than me.
To be honest, I don't think there is much room to laugh at JT Miller for Chris Tanev.
But given that Jake V was a high pick just a few years ago, I can understand others holding him much higher than me.Guess by that logic Sam Reinhart is only a 3C on Buffalo so Jordan Subban would be Kinda fair
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Just wondering from a Leafs perspective, if we were to trade JVR for a 1st rounder (mid-late) and an A minus/B plus prospect what would we have to add to that to get your interest on Tanev?
Like acquired 1st+our 1st+acquired prospect - thinking that prospect would be like a Nikolay Goldobin, Nick Schmaltz, Daniel Sprong, something in that range
Like acquired 1st+our 1st+acquired prospect - thinking that prospect would be like a Nikolay Goldobin, Nick Schmaltz, Daniel Sprong, something in that range
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Listen, i like Tanev...but why does a rebuilding team trade 2 1sts+ a Schmaltz level prospect??
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Inquiring based on a narrative in the "JVR $" thread on the leaf board - the actual rebuild part seems to be over in terms of bottoming out to draft a future core, team is performing and getting results like a playoff team (in the playoffs today with games in hand on all the teams we're chasing in the context that the entire eastern conference is also .500 or better so hasn't been easy competition, and all the underlying metrics support that the team isn't getting a false positive) so it seems like waiting on those futures to develop is a waste of the big 3 ELC's
Just want to see if liquidating JVR and adding to the return of that will get us the defenseman we need
If you watch him play he saves at least 2 goals a game, so good with his stick in front of the net..underrated if you ask me
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he's actually grossly underrated. it's the same crap, with the same posters who can't evaluate defense. they get upset that they can't argue their biased opinions with substance so they just say "lol he's so overrated"
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Pretty sure most Canucks fans would be fine with that kind of return but it's not what Benning will want.
Benning wants a younger NHL impact forward to fit his "accelerated retool" and judging by the way he's thrown away them away in trades, doesn't like draft picks.
2 firsts Is overkill. When is the last time someone traded 2 firsts :S
Personally, ideally. And might I add that your idea is actually something new!
I'd want a first( hopefully the higher of the two), maybe kapanen or a A-,B+ type prospect maybe the one you flip jvr for and if you don't mind someone to play right D on a 3rd pairing role for the rest of the season.
Is that too much?
Goldobin or sprong arent the young impact forwards but I guess this should be fine because I quite like some of the forwards in the 15-20 range in this upcoming draft and adding sprong/goldobin/ kapanen fixes a lot of our issues.
I guess its not the high end forward other Canucks fans would want though. But valuewise...
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If the Leafs have finished being near the bottom and want to compete, then I am going to suggest to trade with Vancouver..........because we are not there, even remotely
First off Tanev reduces your goals against considerably, and allows your Offensive dmen to take a few more risks......no brainer from me as a Tanev admirer
2ndly, you need Hansen.....one of the faster players in the league, and one of the most versitile, put him on a defensive line, he will shine, put him on a offensive line and he scares dmen with his speed. First line, 2nd line, 3rd line, he will help you alot. He is a great team-mate, and as a Dane, will suprisingly standup for his team-mates when the need arises......not a heavy weight, but I would suggest he is a fringe core player....personally I love him, but I would love to see him play on a fast team, that is well coached
Both are on great contracts....................
We want.....................
Kapanen, 2017-1st, 2018-2nd, Neilsen, and Rykel
Babcock will love both of these guys!
First off Tanev reduces your goals against considerably, and allows your Offensive dmen to take a few more risks......no brainer from me as a Tanev admirer
2ndly, you need Hansen.....one of the faster players in the league, and one of the most versitile, put him on a defensive line, he will shine, put him on a offensive line and he scares dmen with his speed. First line, 2nd line, 3rd line, he will help you alot. He is a great team-mate, and as a Dane, will suprisingly standup for his team-mates when the need arises......not a heavy weight, but I would suggest he is a fringe core player....personally I love him, but I would love to see him play on a fast team, that is well coached
Both are on great contracts....................
We want.....................
Kapanen, 2017-1st, 2018-2nd, Neilsen, and Rykel
Babcock will love both of these guys!
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Oh man...I hope that doesn't happen to you guys, it was tried here a few times and just wouldn't work. Gotta go full tank and it wouldn't be long before fans would be excited about the stable of prospects, Utica games would start getting viewership (if televised, too bad that your AHL affiliate is so far away) and there would be a buzz about the future. Boeser, Juolevi and Demko are not a bad start and if you can supplement it with a few high upside prospects from trade plus a franchise upside prospect with your own 2017 pick then I think you guys would be out of the depressing part of the rebuild quickly
Anyway, interesting to see that package be of interest, JVR looks to be pretty liquid if we're dealing for futures and a top pairing RHD goes a long way for our D corps
I think with the demand for top 4 RHD we would have to pay to play - look what Larsson god (even though I think that trade was universally thought of as 1 sided and probably isn't a precedent setter)
but the 1st+good prospect for rental return is very common for 1st line wingers/top 6 centres, so I think if you're changing that to a top pairing dman who's 26 and on a team friendly contract for 3 more seasons that adding another 1st isn't crazy - keeping in mind that the 1sts are likely to be 20-30 picks, a high pick would slant this but it would have to be done at the TDL to get a good idea of what we're trading
In some cases maybe, but sometimes I also feel that some got pretty good track on their own players -- but underrate most players on other teams. IE, they are kind of home blind. It's all fine, can't be that picky at a place like this.
Like -- just for example -- in this thread you got a few Van fans laughing at JT Miller for Tanev. Would the same guys call that Hammonic is worth much more than Horvat? If so, why not? Miller is definitely more impressive than Horvat, and Hammonic is more or less on par with Tanev. Better in a few areas, worse in a few others.
It's one thing to spot that Tanev is a very good D, I am not that impressed by it but it's a start. But the discussions goes a little in all kinds of directions if you can evaluate any players on any other team than your own. JMHO.
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Tanev discussion isn't worth having on HFBoards. This is one of those deals where I want to see it go down in the real world, not trying to put Vancouver fans down but their expectations seem to be higher then what the actual return seems likely to be.
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People need to realize the majority of 'Nuck fans on the trades board at least, were declining Oilers #4 last year and Drouin for Tanev.
No team in their right mind offers anything close to that this year...let alone either piece today. Until Nuck fans reinvent their ideas about his value- which is a defensive D-man, who can play the top pair, but does not contribute much at all offensively....there's no point shopping him on these trade boards.
Very fair point. And with a large fan base, you have diverse opinions as well. The reality is, Tanev's particular situation is a huge extreme, even for the trade boards. There's posters that have been on here for years.
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Did Non Nucks fans expect that they would land a top pairing D signed long term in his prime on a team friendly deal without paying a steep price?
Damn I'm not even a Nucks fan and some of these offers for him are embarrassingly cheap.
If you want quality pay up and don't lowball Nucks fans
Damn I'm not even a Nucks fan and some of these offers for him are embarrassingly cheap.
If you want quality pay up and don't lowball Nucks fans
