Value of: Chris Tanev

[Canucks LB]

(2) 2nd round picks,, see Johnny Boychuk to NY Islanders for reference

except 10 boychuks does not hold tanev's jockstrap

 

[Oates2Neely]

except 10 boychuks does not hold tanev's jockstrap

Boychuk had better Corsi, better +/-, better offense, & unlike Tanev he played a physical game. Tanev is a #4 on a good team. You're out to lunch if you think he's a top pairing dman. John Scott has more offensive skill than Tanev

 

[Blueangel1891]

Boychuk had better Corsi, better +/-, better offense, & unlike Tanev he played a physical game. Tanev is a #4 on a good team. You're out to lunch if you think he's a top pairing dman.

You really need to start watching hockey

 

[DL44]

Tanev a great glue guy to have for any D.

Pros:
- great skater that erases odd man rushes, outstanding gap control, keeps up with the elite skating forwards, quick to get back to retrieve and move pucks minimizes the other team's forecheck. can skate it out of the zone the odd time he chooses to do so. Can chew big defensive mins. great stick. plays a positional style. willing to take a hit to make a play... check that... willing to get absolutely wallpapered to make a play.

Con:
- powder puff shot
- zero ability to make a creative play with the puck past the red line
- no offensive IQ/ability/confidence to speak of.
- no physical presence
- injury prone... : death, taxes, Tanev out week-to-week.

A pure defensive defenseman. One of the new generation types where its all about mobility and positioning.


So... now give us a good forward please.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Welcome to the Trades and Rumors board, where every fanbase do it.

Accurate. Also a huge disconnect where people will offer players to help Vancouver for now on these boards because that is what it seems like Vancouver wants to do, retool on the fly. Fan base seems to want to rebuild. Huge disconnect between fan base and management of the team, so proposals can ruffle some fan's feathers at times.

(2) 2nd round picks,, see Johnny Boychuk to NY Islanders for reference

Boston was kind of up against the cap weren't they? Maybe a C prospect is added in this case?

This seems pretty realistic, and we have precedence to go by.

 

[kanucks25]

People need to realize the majority of 'Nuck fans on the trades board at least, were declining Oilers #4 last year and Drouin for Tanev.

Not every Canucks fan has those kind of unrealistic expectations. Every fan-base in general and on this board homers hard and believes their players are worth a lot more than they are.

(2) 2nd round picks,, see Johnny Boychuk to NY Islanders for reference

Having a hard time understanding why you continue to make these kinds of posts while deliberately dodging the users who have already proven you wrong. Unless you're doing the "T" word, which is supposed to be against the rules here.

Boston was kind of up against the cap weren't they? Maybe a C prospect is added in this case?

This seems pretty realistic, and we have precedence to go by.

If anything, the Hall-Larsson trade is a much more legitimate case of precedence considering it wasn't a trade forced by a salary cap situation like the Boychuk one, and it's a lot more recent.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not every Canucks fan has those kind of unrealistic expectations. Every fan-base in general and on this board homers hard and believes their players are worth a lot more than they are.



Having a hard time understanding why you continue to make these kinds of posts while deliberately dodging the users who have already proven you wrong. Unless you're doing the "T" word, which is supposed to be against the rules here.



If anything, the Hall-Larsson trade is a much more legitimate case of precedence considering it wasn't a trade forced by a salary cap situation like the Boychuk one, and it's a lot more recent.

I think that was more of an anomaly then real value but that would just be my own opinion.

I mean it's no different then people citing the Paul Gaustad for a 1st when trying to justify a 1st for their UFA player at the deadline (when so few 1sts get moved).

It's a debate to be had for sure, and you provided an example to back up your point.

Nothing left to do but to see the trade occur so we can see the real value at this point.

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

Listen, i like Tanev...but why does a rebuilding team trade 2 1sts+ a Schmaltz level prospect??

Especially one Babcock won't like. If he has no offensive instincts and is not good at outlet passes, Babcock won't want him. I like Tanev, but not at the cost this board has mentioned

 

[PG Canuck]

Accurate. Also a huge disconnect where people will offer players to help Vancouver for now on these boards because that is what it seems like Vancouver wants to do, retool on the fly. Fan base seems to want to rebuild. Huge disconnect between fan base and management of the team, so proposals can ruffle some fan's feathers at times.

Yeah opposing fans see one thing, and Canucks fans want another so it's just a massive misconception with coming up with offers.

 

[Halla]

If the Leafs have finished being near the bottom and want to compete, then I am going to suggest to trade with Vancouver..........because we are not there, even remotely

First off Tanev reduces your goals against considerably, and allows your Offensive dmen to take a few more risks......no brainer from me as a Tanev admirer

2ndly, you need Hansen.....one of the faster players in the league, and one of the most versitile, put him on a defensive line, he will shine, put him on a offensive line and he scares dmen with his speed. First line, 2nd line, 3rd line, he will help you alot. He is a great team-mate, and as a Dane, will suprisingly standup for his team-mates when the need arises......not a heavy weight, but I would suggest he is a fringe core player....personally I love him, but I would love to see him play on a fast team, that is well coached

Both are on great contracts....................

We want.....................

Kapanen, 2017-1st, 2018-2nd, Neilsen, and Rykel

Babcock will love both of these guys!

you want our 3 of our top 5 prospects, a 1st and a 2nd for tanev and a pending UFA?

leafs are a fringe playoff team, not a contender. horrible trade to make in the midst of a rebuild

 

[QJL]

I'd do Zibanejad for Tanev

 

[jonnygf40]

you want our 3 of our top 5 prospects, a 1st and a 2nd for tanev and a pending UFA?

leafs are a fringe playoff team, not a contender. horrible trade to make in the midst of a rebuild

Who's a pending UFA? Cuz Hansen isnt a free agent until after next year. I agree though, take out a prospect and Id say its pretty even.

Tanev and Hansen for Kapanen, Nielsen, 1st and 2nd.

 

[Peter Griffin]

(2) 2nd round picks,, see Johnny Boychuk to NY Islanders for reference

Boston had to move Boychuk because of cap constraints and Boychuk was less than one year away from UFA and, ultimately the huge pay day he ended up getting. Vancouver doesn't have to trade Tanev and he's signed for another three years after this season for a very manageable $4.45M. Try a different player for reference next time.

 

[Addison Rae]

Boychuk had better Corsi, better +/-, better offense, & unlike Tanev he played a physical game. Tanev is a #4 on a good team. You're out to lunch if you think he's a top pairing dman. John Scott has more offensive skill than Tanev

This just shows you know absolutely nothing about corsi, simply looking at CF% without looking at context is just so grossly illogical. There's a reason why corsi rel exists, chris tanev was a far superior relative to team corsi player than Johny Boychuk was when he played on the Bruins. Not to mention Boychuk played with a significantly higher QOT (the biggest variable in possession stats)

so in reality the Tanev was a significantly better possession player and was a significantly better defender. Not to mention that deal caused Boston to go from a Presidents Trophy winning team to not making the playoffs to what looks like 3 straight seasons, so it's not exactly great precedence.

 

[kanucks25]

Especially one Babcock won't like. If he has no offensive instincts and is not good at outlet passes, Babcock won't want him. I like Tanev, but not at the cost this board has mentioned

If you think Tanev isn't a good outlet passer you've clearly never watched him play. He is excellent at moving the puck with control.

 

[McSuper]

Edmonton 1st , a prospects and Davidson

 

[sting101]

I would only move Tanev a 2 3 Dman for your 3rd or 4th best forward that's between 20-25 on a decent contract. We desperately need to replace the Sedin's long term and form a scoring line.

 

[CanadienShark]

Boychuk had better Corsi, better +/-, better offense, & unlike Tanev he played a physical game. Tanev is a #4 on a good team. You're out to lunch if you think he's a top pairing dman. John Scott has more offensive skill than Tanev

Give your head shake man. Tanev is a top pairing calibre d-man on every single team in the league. A #1 on some teams.

 

[DL44]

I'd do Zibanejad for Tanev

There ya go...

As a Canuck fan, I would do that in a virtual heartbeat.

A pre-prime top 6 player to grow with the rebuild. 20g/50pt 23 yr old.. sign me up. And bonus for our particular lineup -shoots R.

 

[crazybagoham]

Boychuk had better Corsi, better +/-, better offense, & unlike Tanev he played a physical game. Tanev is a #4 on a good team. You're out to lunch if you think he's a top pairing dman. John Scott has more offensive skill than Tanev

All I'm reading is that you only look at stats, and have never actually watched Tanev play if you think Boychuk even compares and to say John Scott is better? give your head a shake.... you just proved you dont know jack about Tanev.

 

[crazybagoham]

If you think Tanev isn't a good outlet passer you've clearly never watched him play. He is excellent at moving the puck with control.

Sure he's got a shot like a pool noodle, but it;s not nearly as bad as it was when he first entered the league (it's actually pretty okay now)

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Polak
Robdias
Adam Brooks
Toronto 2017 1st
Grundstrom

For

Tanev

Polak and Robdias are for cap only.

 

[crazybagoham]

Polak
Robdias
Adam Brooks
Toronto 2017 1st
Grundstrom

For

Tanev

Polak and Robdias are for cap only.

that just made me puke

 

[lebdafor norris]

Boychuk had better Corsi, better +/-, better offense, & unlike Tanev he played a physical game. Tanev is a #4 on a good team. You're out to lunch if you think he's a top pairing dman. John Scott has more offensive skill than Tanev

Tanev is an elite shot suppressor thou, his CA60relTM of -7.07 last year was 8th in the league among all Dmen with at least 500 minutes played. Also, Lindholm and Doughty were the only 2 Dmen who scored higher than Tanev and faced similar quality of competition as him.

 

[PG Canuck]

Tanev is an elite shot suppressor thou, his CA60relTM of -7.07 last year was 8th in the league among all Dmen with at least 500 minutes played. Also, Lindholm and Doughty were the only 2 Dmen who scored higher than Tanev and faced similar quality of competition as him.

Yeah, but what about Tanev's +/-?