Player Discussion Chris Kreider

[bobbop]

I spent some time with my grandson last night watching Ranger highlights from 2012-16 and Kreider is on the ice for just about every important Ranger goal.

 

[haohmaru]

I spent some time with my grandson last night watching Ranger highlights from 2012-16 and Kreider is on the ice for just about every important Ranger goal.

Probably the most underrated career Ranger (so far) in history. Will have ~90 goals in the last two seasons.

"3rd line winger"

 

[Baby Punisher]

Holy crap 26 pp goals last year and only 6 this year. Even if he just had half the amount of pp goals that he had last year (13 of 26) he is a 40 plus goal scorer this year easy.

I am so happy he has back-to-back 30-goal seasons. If he hit 40 it would be the icing on the cake to further shut the haters down that his 52-goal season was a fluke. Kreider could still hit 40, but he would have to get very hot. He was on pace for 36. I could see him ending the season with 34 to 37.

What are the chances Jarry gives up 7 tonight and Kreider gets 4 of them?

 

[Baby Punisher]

I spent some time with my grandson last night watching Ranger highlights from 2012-16 and Kreider is on the ice for just about every important Ranger goal.

Since the first time I saw him play at MSG in the playoffs I knew he would be a special player. I will never forget how mad he got when he turned over the puck he got undressed, he is skating backward wit the D through the neutral zone, Kreider slams his stick on the ice in disgust, later that period he plays like an animal, and scores a goal. The definition of passion is Chris Kreider.

I personally have not felt this much passion for a Ranger since Messier was here.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I asked Larry Brooks if he thinks Kreider will get his number raised to the ceiling when it's all said and done. He responded, "Today, I'd say no. Winning the cup would change the equation."

1. How many numbers up there ever won the cup?
2. Kreider will certainly get into the Top 5 of all-time Ranger goal scorers. Of the current Top 5 how many of them are up there?

I hope he never puts on another team's sweater and I imagine when he's due for another contract he would take less to stay in NY. He seems like that kind of player.

In the end I think #20 will go up there.

I think Kreider's number will get retired even if they don't win a Cup, assuming he plays out his contract in NY. Vic Hadfield is his comparison IMO.

Kreider will be top-5 in games played, goals, points, PP goals and several other major stats by the time he's retiring.

 

[McRanger92]

I spent some time with my grandson last night watching Ranger highlights from 2012-16 and Kreider is on the ice for just about every important Ranger goal.

Not much has changed in 11 years

The poster child for "patience is a virtue" player development

 

[wolfgaze]

Kreider is currently scoring at a 39 goal pace over an 82 game season. Impressive.

Easily one of the most likeable Rangers in the 21st century.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Kreider is currently scoring at a 39 goal pace over an 82 game season. Impressive.

Easily one of the most likeable Rangers in the 21st century.

He really is. He's going to get some talk about retiring his number. If we win a Cup, I think it's almost guaranteed.

 

[bobbop]

I spent some time with my grandson last night watching Ranger highlights from 2012-16 and Kreider is on the ice for just about every important Ranger goal.

I also have to admit to some personal prejudice. After a tough Ranger loss in Arizona a few years ago, Kreider stopped and talked with Henrik and gave him his stick. When Henrik Lundqvist retired, there was no question about what jersey he was getting to replace #30.

Chris’ coach in high school was Dean Boylan, who played for me when I was the AGM in Syracuse.

 

[Leonardo87]

Kreider is currently scoring at a 39 goal pace over an 82 game season. Impressive.

Easily one of the most likeable Rangers in the 21st century.

Will be wearing my Kreider jersey tomorrow, even though Fox needs some love, has not been very Foxy lately, So will leave his jersey at home. lol.

 

[Leonardo87]

Congrats!

 

[IDvsEGO]

I like kreider as both a person and player. The problem is that even though he's on an almost 40g pace (with 82 games). He should probably be a 3rd line and PP specialist guy right now.
Laf is out producing him in ES production and should probably be siphoning off his PP time.

We have a great problem where we have 3 top 6 left wingers. But we don't have the ice time for all 3, and we want to keep tarasenko and also it would be great if we could lock up laf to a longer term deal before he breaks out.
an 8 year deal ala mackinnon would be fantastic.

 

[Leonardo87]

I like kreider as both a person and player. The problem is that even though he's on an almost 40g pace (with 82 games). He should probably be a 3rd line and PP specialist guy right now.
Laf is out producing him in ES production and should probably be siphoning off his PP time.

We have a great problem where we have 3 top 6 left wingers. But we don't have the ice time for all 3, and we want to keep tarasenko and also it would be great if we could lock up laf to a longer term deal before he breaks out.
an 8 year deal ala mackinnon would be fantastic.

This is the idea , but Laf has been inconsistent. I have no issues with Kreider being the 3rd line LW eventually as long as he is on that Top PP unit. He’s become a big part for both our special teams.

Right now the kids line is up and down and I don’t think they can be a thing forever. So eventually Kakko and/or Laf are going to have to make it up to the Top 6 with some of the vets.

.

 

[NYRangers0723]

This is the idea , but Laf has been inconsistent. I have no issues with Kreider being the 3rd line LW eventually as long as he is on that Top PP unit. He’s become a big part for both our special teams.

Right now the kids line is up and down and I don’t think they can be a thing forever. So eventually Kakko and/or Laf are going to have to make it up to the Top 6 with some of the vets.

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Yeah I don’t understand why some fans are so desperate to move the kids around they’re doing just fine together. As for moving CK off the PP I mean that’s not a great idea considering the amount of PP goals he had last year and even though isnt getting as many this year he’s contributing to a lot with his net presence

 

[bobbop]

I like kreider as both a person and player. The problem is that even though he's on an almost 40g pace (with 82 games). He should probably be a 3rd line and PP specialist guy right now.
Laf is out producing him in ES production and should probably be siphoning off his PP time.

We have a great problem where we have 3 top 6 left wingers. But we don't have the ice time for all 3, and we want to keep tarasenko and also it would be great if we could lock up laf to a longer term deal before he breaks out.
an 8 year deal ala mackinnon would be fantastic.

Lafreniere is still to inconsistent and I don’t see him as a bona fide net front presence on the PP.

Yet.

 

[Baby Punisher]

I think Kreider's number will get retired even if they don't win a Cup, assuming he plays out his contract in NY. Vic Hadfield is his comparison IMO.

Kreider will be top-5 in games played, goals, points, PP goals and several other major stats by the time he's retiring.

But, BUT I THOUGHT HE SUCKS!?

Kreider is currently scoring at a 39 goal pace over an 82 game season. Impressive.

Easily one of the most likeable Rangers in the 21st century.

Kreider hasn't gone on one of those 10-game stretches where he is hot. I'd love to see him get 40....I guess if he got hot the next 3 games. This would be nice as we head into the playoffs.

 

[NYRangers0723]

But, BUT I THOUGHT HE SUCKS!?


Kreider hasn't gone on one of those 10-game stretches where he is hot. I'd love to see him get 40....I guess if he got hot the next 3 games. This would be nice as we head into the playoffs.

He’s had a lot of bad puck luck this year. A lot of posts, deflections that are nearly connecting like last year, and correct me if I’m wrong I think he has had like 3 disallowed goals this year. Despite that he will probably end up with 36 or 37 goals

 

[IDvsEGO]

But, BUT I THOUGHT HE SUCKS!?


Kreider hasn't gone on one of those 10-game stretches where he is hot. I'd love to see him get 40....I guess if he got hot the next 3 games. This would be nice as we head into the playoffs.

I dont think anyone actually believes he sucks.
He's clearly underpaid for his play the past two seasons.
The logic for moving him is that he will eventually regress into a 25 goal scorer, and we have a LW'er who will likely be significantly better than him waiting on the third line at this point.
He's the ideal left winger to be moved. He wouldn't require a ton of cap movement as he has a reasonable salary for his production, even when his production slips he's still going to be in line with the cap.
He'd return assets, and he doesn't have a NMC for his entire deal.

If he could make the move to RW I dont have any issue with him staying. But we need to fill a RW top 6 spot, and kane isn't it.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I dont think anyone actually believes he sucks.
He's clearly underpaid for his play the past two seasons.
The logic for moving him is that he will eventually regress into a 25 goal scorer, and we have a LW'er who will likely be significantly better than him waiting on the third line at this point.
He's the ideal left winger to be moved. He wouldn't require a ton of cap movement as he has a reasonable salary for his production, even when his production slips he's still going to be in line with the cap.
He'd return assets, and he doesn't have a NMC for his entire deal.

If he could make the move to RW I dont have any issue with him staying. But we need to fill a RW top 6 spot, and kane isn't it.

I think you’re working with a lot of assumptions. How do you know he will regress to a 20-25 goal scorer?. I know some said that heading into this year and what do you know he has 35 goals. Given his new role on the PK and the fact that he keeps himself in as good of shape as anyone in the league he could easily have a few more 30 goal seasons. As for Laf I’m a huge fan of him but why not leave him where he is most comfortable with Kakko and Chytil. Some seem obsessed with breaking up that line and moving Laf and or Kakko to the top line. If it isn’t broke don’t fix it. The Rangers want to compete at least for another couple years so I do t see CK going anywhere for at least a couple more seasons. It appears the cap will go up and if they really need to get extra cap space they could unload Goodrow

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think you’re working with a lot of assumptions. How do you know he will regress to a 20-25 goal scorer?. I know some said that heading into this year and what do you know he has 35 goals. Given his new role on the PK and the fact that he keeps himself in as good of shape as anyone in the league he could easily have a few more 30 goal seasons. As for Laf I’m a huge fan of him but why not leave him where he is most comfortable with Kakko and Chytil. Some seem obsessed with breaking up that line and moving Laf and or Kakko to the top line. If it isn’t broke don’t fix it. The Rangers want to compete at least for another couple years so I do t see CK going anywhere for at least a couple more seasons. It appears the cap will go up and if they really need to get extra cap space they could unload Goodrow

I don’t necessarily want to break up the kids.
I want them all to get more time.

Ideally if we somehow get the room to do this
10-93-91
13-72-24
20-16-othmann

Your third line should be getting 12ish minutes a night in this scenario which opens 2 minutes a game for the kids

 

[NYRangers0723]

I don’t necessarily want to break up the kids.
I want them all to get more time.

Ideally if we somehow get the room to do this
10-93-91
13-72-24
20-16-othmann

Your third line should be getting 12ish minutes a night in this scenario which opens 2 minutes a game for the kids

I disagree. I like Othman but we have no idea if he could handle that he may need a couple of years. I mean it’s taken Kakko and Laf a few years and they were top picks. I do t need them packing Panarin Mika and Tarasenko on o e line even if he resigns which probably isn’t likely. Those scenarios don’t seem likely or logical

 

[IDvsEGO]

I disagree. I like Othman but we have no idea if he could handle that he may need a couple of years. I mean it’s taken Kakko and Laf a few years and they were top picks. I do t need them packing Panarin Mika and Tarasenko on o e line even if he resigns which probably isn’t likely. Those scenarios don’t seem likely or logical

Yeah but Othmanns been developing for a couple of years, this is his d+2 not his d+1

 

[NYRangers0723]

Yeah but Othmanns been developing for a couple of years, this is his d+2 not his d+1

Doesn’t matter. Just like we’ve seen with countless players who have developed in the minors and/or college most times it takes a couple years in the NHL to find their footing. Like I said I have faith in the kid but just penciling him into contributing right away might not be the best bet. Also CK and Mika have been a tandem fir tears consume t two of the top goal scorers so I don’t see that chugging too much

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah but Othmanns been developing for a couple of years, this is his d+2 not his d+1

Yes, next season for Othmann would be the equivalent of 2022-23 for Lafrenière. I never really like the "This player needed 3 years so that player will need 3 years too".

What about Wyatt Johnston who was picked in the same draft as Othmann?

 

[NYRFANMANI]

What's the kreider talk? Dude is playing easily up to the contract. He doesn't look like he'll regress for two more years at least.
We have one more year of full NMC, then it's modified. And I'm certain teams will gouge their eyes out in 2 year at the chance of trading for Kreider.

Just lean back and enjoy while he's here.