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Lets get Duke a game in the top six if CK is out
Lets get Duke a game in the top six if CK is out
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Shady Brey
Yeah, we should figure out how to trade this bum.
He's not a bum but he's certainly not untouchable (as some people here see him).
Its maddening watching Kreider play. How can a person that big, fast, and strong consistently be a floater?
BroadwayBlues
KK24
May it's my untrained eye, but I don't see the hands/shot from him, to be a 30+ goal scorer. Like last year he should have been that with the high quality chances he had. Especially those first 10-20 games after he came up. Yet he had a lot of trouble 'finishing'.
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He has got a rocket of a shot, he just misses his spot way too much. And if you watch every shot he has ever taken in the NHL. He has shot to the same spot 95% of the time (blocker side in between the arm). I am not exaggerating.
I don't think he has the sort of mentality yet to be a 30 goal guy. You can have an ok shot and still get 30 goals, but for me its about getting it off quickly and frequently. Kreider has always seemed to have the speed and size to create space and a really fast release that should make him a great volume shooter (see Kane, Evander), but I don't think he's being coached to play that way. He always defers to his teammates no matter who is on his line, even pass happy Step and St. Louis. He could be a great compliment to guys like that is he decided to be the shooter and the offensive threat, but he decides to be a team-first, get the puck and give it them guy.
He has zero hands, zero moves. Totally agree-- he would be lucky to be a 20 goal scorer.
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Shady Brey
I wouldn't consider him untouchable, but he has value on this squad with his speed size, and scoring. In that order.
If he can be more sonsistent with scoring he is HUGE.
Raspewtin
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Agreed
Yeah, we should figure out how to trade this bum.
Really hoping this is sarcasm.
lmao.
That's a big if.
My main problem isn't even the lack of scoring. If he was playing a solid physical game and using his speed and size I wouldn't be so critical.
I'm down on him for being completely invisible at times. No room for passengers here. No excuse for it either. If you're saying he's now being too cautious because of the Brodin hit that's a joke. That or he doesn't have an NHL mentality.
What a great first 2 posts! you'll fit in nicely here
BroadwayBlues
KK24
I agree. He needs to be more mentally stronger than that. He went quiet too, the rest of the series after Therrien called him out. And I think it carried over to the first 2 games against the Kings.
Machinehead
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Depending on the deal/return I wouldn't hesitate to move him right now.
I'm not saying he should be shopped but he's definitely not untouchable.
My lord! Giving up on a 23 year old with size and speed, who's already scored 17 goals in the regular season (and almost a point a game in the playoffs last year). I'd talk about needing patience with young players, but why bother? Some of you have already made up your minds.
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He absolutely has a rocket of a shot. Too bad he has such low hockey IQ. I could see him scoring 25ish just on raw athleticism though.
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This is also true. We are forgetting that power forwards usually take longer to develop as well.
We definitely shouldn't give up on him.
But he is definitely the biggest passenger on this team so far this season (looking at role and contribution).
I think confidence is hurting Kreider right now, he was spectacular for a few games early on. But, a big problem in it self is that confidence hurts Kreider's game so much. He must have a much better fall back game. His game where he just puts in the hrs must be much better.
There are many people on here that only notice a bit bigger plays, and they notice Kreider from time to time and have a bit of a hard time understanding why some others claim that Kreider sticks out right now by contributing nothing. But that is just it, its the NHL, any player will make a play here and there. Its the shift by shift play where Kreider just become a passanger completely when he is playing like he is right now.
Kreider:
1. Can play half a game without doing anything on the forecheck,
2. Without being a factor at all around the boards,
3. While being generally pretty lost defensively,
And of course while not transporting the puck nor doing stuff other smarter player does.
Kreider has an overwhelming package. In short, he just must move forward when it comes to especially his work along the boards and on the forecheck, and defensively, so that he is a factor even when he is not on.
Last year, based on a full season, his 17 goals extrapolate to about 21 goals.
I don't think that 20 goals is much of a stretch.
Isn't it odd how many players have figured it out?
Kreider is far and away the most frustrating and biggest underachiever on the team.
Trading him could be a disaster. Not trading him could be a mistake. The reason to keep him is to avoid the potential horrible mistake. I wish there was more of a reason to keep him.
He may still fulfill his potential, but being 23 is a terrible excuse in a league where 19-year-olds are starring.
NYR Viper
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Yeah, moving Kreider would be beyond stupid. Even if he tops out at 20g and 0 points he brings something NO ONE ELSE on the team brings. Size, strength and physical play. With time will come consistency. It's been something he has been trying to figure out since college.
It's something he's been trying to figure out since college yet you're sure consistency will come.
I won't hold my breath.
And yeah, he brings size, speed, and strength...when he wants to.
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Canadians "gave up" on Lecalair and look how that turned out.
Kreider has many tools but his hockey IQ is lacking. He's a good player because of his natural abilities. He also takes many "big dumb puppy" penalties like the young dog who doesn't know how strong he is.
He's a playoff performer in his three go arounds. Maybe he's another Kovalev; decent during the regular season and tops out as a 20-20 guy but during the playoffs when you generally play the same 6-7 defensemen you can begin to exploit them.
He's not somebody who should even be in consideration to be traded at this point. Let him figure it out and hope that someday he takes the next step.
Kreider has many tools but his hockey IQ is lacking. He's a good player because of his natural abilities. He also takes many "big dumb puppy" penalties like the young dog who doesn't know how strong he is.
He's a playoff performer in his three go arounds. Maybe he's another Kovalev; decent during the regular season and tops out as a 20-20 guy but during the playoffs when you generally play the same 6-7 defensemen you can begin to exploit them.
He's not somebody who should even be in consideration to be traded at this point. Let him figure it out and hope that someday he takes the next step.
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