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Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III

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Oscar Lindberg said:
Kreiders physical gifts will be there until they’re not

Every team thinks their guy is the one who will beat the odds

Betting on that is risky, regardless of what anyone thinks
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I've seen the, "he's a workout warrior"/"he has elite conditioning"/"players like him project to last" about a million different players in all sports and it turns out that they break down too lol
 
eco's bones said:
The question actually though is how to balance the contract if we're re-signing him. I really don't want to go 7 years with him and I'd rather we keep him between $6 and 6.5 and IMO he will probably do better if he waits until July. For him to stay he kind of needs to give us a discount.
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he’s gonna have to accept less than what he’d get on the market for sure. Hopefully the ball is in his court
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Because players like Kreider, who rely on their physical edge and/or speed, don't really age well after 30.

Callahan, Hagelin, Lucic and Simmonds are just some examples. But hey, if anyone can name 3 players similar to Kreider who played at the same level, and had the same impact from age 29-35 as they did before 29, prove me wrong. I just don't think the odds look good for Kreider to be an impact player by the time we are ready to compete
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Kreider has super human strength.
 
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Most power forwards decline quickly once they lose either their strength/speed or when they become injury prone due to their style, @Amazing Kreiderman is spot on that Kreider will likely not be the same Kreider in 2-3 years, it doesn't take a crystal ball, just look and comparable players like him in the past. The odds heavily favor him burning out sooner than later on a 6-7 year contract.

RangerBoy said:
Kreider has super human strength.
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Can he still jump out of a swimming pool though? If he can't then the decline has begun.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Most power forwards decline quickly once they lose either their strength/speed or when they become injury prone due to their style, @Amazing Kreiderman is spot on that Kreider will likely not be the same Kreider in 2-3 years, it doesn't take a crystal ball, just look and comparable players like him in the past. The odds heavily favor him burning out sooner than later on a 6-7 year contract.


Can he still jump out of a swimming pool though? If he can't then the decline has begun.
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How can you be sure your whole 2-3 year window is accurate? I’m sure we all respect your premonition ability but I’m not sold on it lol
 
In a way Kreider's been more a part of the rebuild than the other veterans on the team. He works with the younger players and prospects over the summer--they stay at his house--work with him at the gym and they also learn about nutrition. He's been a welcome wagon for a lot of them and has been working with the Russian players going back to when Buch came over.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Because players like Kreider, who rely on their physical edge and/or speed, don't really age well after 30.

Callahan, Hagelin, Lucic and Simmonds are just some examples. But hey, if anyone can name 3 players similar to Kreider who played at the same level, and had the same impact from age 29-35 as they did before 29, prove me wrong. I just don't think the odds look good for Kreider to be an impact player by the time we are ready to compete
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Chris Kreider is not the same type of player as the ones you are comparing him to in your post above ( and im not even sure why Hagelin is in your post anyway ), but i get your point about power forwards. The only similarities is that Chris Kreider is big, strong and fast. However, he is not a true power forward that throws his body around, looks for big hits and fights. Yes, he can use his body when he needs to, but his physical play is not even remotely close to the guys you mentioned above.....and yes, those mentioned above did break down after 30. Chris Kreider and how well he keeps himself in top physical condition, will be good for another 3-4 years.......after that, it will be a crap shoot. Is he worth the entire big pay day contract? I doubt it. But for the first 2/3's of the contract, i'd bet yes he is.

I say trade him with a wink and a nod.........bring him back at 6 years and $7m if he would sign that deal.
 
JC704 said:
This forum loves picks and prospects way too much
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Look I was the biggest supporter of rebuilding. In fact I wanted us to start rebuilding in 2016. But at some point you can’t keep trading everyone especially since the Rangers want to start winning next year. I think Kreider is a type of player that is young enough and has the skill set to be productive for one more contract. Now I’m not saying we should give him a 7 year contract for 7 million per. However if he is willing to take 6 years worth 6-6.5million per I think that’s a fair deal
 
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There doesn't seem to be an immediate Kreider replacement among prospects and I don't want the team to rush a prospect like they did with Kakko.

IMO, it's a no brainer to re-sign him. There aren't many quality NHL players on the roster as is.
 
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eco's bones said:
Rebuilds don't come necessarily with scripts attached. You make a move and wait and see and then you make another and then wait and see again and then there comes a time when you don't make that move--you keep the player instead. So like in a couple years if Mika is still going strong but we're still rebuilding are we moving him too?

But anyway Kreider and Zibanejad are feeding off each other--it's two big guys with skill on the same line and at least one of them is always pressuring the goal and they're both hard for a defense to handle. Kreider leaves and Mika's going to suffer quite a bit and probably next year too.
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if the Rangers kids are developing nicely and are slated for raises, yes, then it’s possible for a Mika to be moved. If Mika is more valuable than giving a kid a raise he’s kept. Navigating and budgeting the cap/roster is what this league is all about.
 
Cassano said:
There doesn't seem to be an immediate Kreider replacement among prospects and I don't want the team to rush a prospect like they did with Kakko.

IMO, it's a no brainer to re-sign him. There aren't many quality NHL players on the roster as is.
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if the team isn’t ready to win then why do we care if there isn’t a Kreider replacement? This is a team only 6 points ahead of the lowly Devils. They’re not even a playoff team let alone a Cup contender.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Kreiders physical gifts will be there until they’re not

Every team thinks their guy is the one who will beat the odds

Betting on that is risky, regardless of what anyone thinks
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see Hank and Eli Manning. The syndrome spreads quickly.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Most power forwards decline quickly once they lose either their strength/speed or when they become injury prone due to their style, @Amazing Kreiderman is spot on that Kreider will likely not be the same Kreider in 2-3 years, it doesn't take a crystal ball, just look and comparable players like him in the past. The odds heavily favor him burning out sooner than later on a 6-7 year contract.


Can he still jump out of a swimming pool though? If he can't then the decline has begun.
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+1
 
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