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Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III
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KOVALEV022473
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And even then, in a year or two, when we’re ready to compete, we’ll be looking for “our Kreider” for a run. I think it extremely short sighted to deal him now.
The question implied that he doesn’t help the team win. Which anyone with a brain in their head could tell you is ridiculous.
They’ll be much worse without him next year and probably the year after that. Who do you plan on replacing him with? A late pick, that kid is three years away. And bottom 6 guy? Big whoop.
Theres a decent chance that actual Kreider is no longer that player when that time comes around.
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If they never inked Panarin I might think it differently, but they did and the results drastically changed the dynamic of the Rangers top 6. With him up there the team has two lines that can compete. Kreider is a huge part of the top line. He’s a core piece.
Kreider Zbad. Buchnevich
I have all the confidence in the world with this trio as the teams top line. In fact, I don’t remember a better trio for the Rangers in terms of chemistry in the recent past. They play together, they know what each are going to do. They drive possession. This line can compete against any single line in the league. Not due to any single individual but due to the sum of their parts.
The 2nd line is a much different story. Panarin drives everything there. Strome has been a good story Because they got him on the cheap with an expendable asset and he plugged right into a major role. Fast has been great as he is versatile enough to slide up and down the roster. But..Maybe the better question is, what are the Rangers winning with Fast and Strome as Winger and Center with Panarin? Panarin needs a big bodied winger that can capitalize on the elite level passing he delivers. A guy that can drive the net and a guy that can fire the puck. Maybe in a year or two Chytil develops into what the Rangers hoped. He’s showing signs he can be an offensive threat. Same for Kakko, Kravtsov.
If the Rangers however don’t have that first line in place, it’s all irrelevant. Kreider is a huge piece of that.
Hank who I love. Staal. Smith. Haley. Maybe even Skjei. These are the current areas of weakness. Fix it.
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there’s a much better chance that he is than he is t. He’s not even 29 yet. He’s got at least 5 years left in him.
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might want to check on that brain b/c he isn’t implying that. He’s basically saying this is a rebuild and the kids are going to take a lot longer to win even with Kreider here. You can lose with or without him so why tie up the money being the kids aren’t ready? He’s opting out and not placing blame on Kreider.
so you wanna waste another 3 years of Panarin? They’ll be good when he’s 31/32? Maybe wait till Igor is 30? They should be looking to compete for a playoff spot next year. They have a good amount of the personal already here. Their top 6 should be as good as any in the league next season.
Fix what isn’t working. Don’t ruin what is.
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2021-22 (the season after next) could be the opening of the next window.
Panarin will be 30.
Zibanejad will 28.
Chytil will be 22.
Kakko will be 20.
Trouba will be 27.
DeAngelo will be 26.
Fox will be 23.
Shesterkin will be 26.
I think Kreider at 30 can be a major contributor to that team as well. More useful than guys like Fast, Strome, or Buchnevich.
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Bottom line is there just aren’t many players like Kreider in the league.
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Agree that he could be a contributor, yet there could be several options between now and then who would equal his contribution, or even exceed it. 5 of the players you listed no one knew would be available to the Rangers at the time of their acquisition.
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it’s a rebuild!!!!! This is not build around the elders. When Kraz, etc likely get promoted next year they likely aren’t in the playoffs again. You have kids, you have cap, you have a budget, you have a rebuild. You don’t have to be Nostradamus to recognize while the kids develop the Ziggy’s will be replaced too. Panarin, like St. Louis, has the wheel and the shot. Kreider has wheels, he doesn’t have the blazing shot and he’ll be 30 by around this time next year. It’s a rebuild
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bottom line, you’re right yet we have a cap and by the time these kids are ready to win and need raises Kreider will be older, overpaid and less productive. It’s a rebuild
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And you’re one hundred percent certain of that?
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Because players like Kreider, who rely on their physical edge and/or speed, don't really age well after 30.
Callahan, Hagelin, Lucic and Simmonds are just some examples. But hey, if anyone can name 3 players similar to Kreider who played at the same level, and had the same impact from age 29-35 as they did before 29, prove me wrong. I just don't think the odds look good for Kreider to be an impact player by the time we are ready to compete
comparing Callahan and Kreider physical gifts is kind of silly. It’s not even close. Kreider seems to be very smart about keeping himself in good shape and it’s not crazy to think he can keep that for a good amount of years
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Kreider reminds me more of Bill Guerin than Milan Lucic. He goes to soft areas for rebounds and plays on the rush and scores a lot of tip in goals as a significant source of his offense. Those facets of his game won’t dissipate.
He can skate and keeps himself in great shape. I don’t think he’s immune to decline but I also don’t think his decline will be sharp or immediate. I don’t want to give Kreider 7 years or anything but I would be comfortable with 5 years 6-6.5 million if that deal coincides with moving Skjei, Buch, etc for assets Kreider could have gotten you.
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Kreiders physical gifts will be there until they’re not
Every team thinks their guy is the one who will beat the odds
Betting on that is risky, regardless of what anyone thinks
Every team thinks their guy is the one who will beat the odds
Betting on that is risky, regardless of what anyone thinks
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Like I said... If anyone can name 3 examples of players similar to Kreider who have "beaten those odds", let me know and change my mind. I don't think it's a good strategy to sign a 29-year old Kreider if you're 2-3 years away from contending
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The question actually though is how to balance the contract if we're re-signing him. I really don't want to go 7 years with him and I'd rather we keep him between $6 and 6.5 and IMO he will probably do better if he waits until July. For him to stay he kind of needs to give us a discount.
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Rebuilds don't come necessarily with scripts attached. You make a move and wait and see and then you make another and then wait and see again and then there comes a time when you don't make that move--you keep the player instead. So like in a couple years if Mika is still going strong but we're still rebuilding are we moving him too?
But anyway Kreider and Zibanejad are feeding off each other--it's two big guys with skill on the same line and at least one of them is always pressuring the goal and they're both hard for a defense to handle. Kreider leaves and Mika's going to suffer quite a bit and probably next year too.
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