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Player Discussion Chris Kreider Part II: Manimal

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Another garbage performance. Soft on the puck, his failure to clear the zone led directly to the game winning goal. Really getting tired of this guy.
 
if we wait too long on this guy, well end up with del zaster 2.0. we've already got the real vik stalberg. dont need another one.

chris is a physical specimen for sure.

his play has been a urine specimen.

move him
 
Don Jaroodi said:
I love how Kreider gets MURDERED on the reg and Derek Stepan can do basically nothing all season and get a total pass while making 6.5 million a year.

OK

"but two way center thoooooo"

I'll save you the time..
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lol. Stepan isn't even that great defensively(or as good as people claim he is), he's just a good PK'er, and pretty meh defensively.
 
Kreider can do things well guys... he can..... wait, let me think for a minute.

Win footraces? He's a good possession player? That's about it as to what I can think of. He's fast, big. He isn't a very good passer, he has a quick release and a very hard shot, if only he could hit the net more it would be a lethal shot. He tends to pass it off too much when he should drive the net with the puck. It's like Medusa is staring right at his hands when he's handling the puck. His decision making isn't good. He's inconsistent, whether it's just showing up to playing good in the games or whether it's just point production.

I don't think i've ever seen a guy with so much talent that i've been so frustrated with before.
 
Why do people always posit conspiracy theories for Chris Kreider being Chris Kreider? People see videos of him leaping out of pools and squatting a thousand pounds in the gym and then are completely perplexed when they watch him on the ice. Kreider is a dopey hockey player. He may be the smartest guy in the world off the ice but he has zero hockey IQ. I think we just have to accept that at this point.
 
I seriously think selling low on this guy would be an absolutely terrible idea, but I'm not ready to commit long term. Hockey IQ has always been a problem, I think he needs more time on the film room and for someone on the staff to get on him about the coasting and not using the toolbox to the best of its abilities.
 
Off Sides said:
I think Kreider will figure it out, may not reflect in his point totals all that much which I don't think are all that bad, but his overall game, he needs to, just like the thread title says, do stuff.

Be engaged, skate, go to the net, hit.

I was watching a Duchene piece on NHL network and he talked out trying to play a perfect game way too much at the start of this season, once he let that go and started to just play with more instinct his season turned around.

Not saying Kreider is even close in talent level or on ice vision, but the way he looks on ice right now, he seems to be really over thinking everything out there.
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Edge said:
I'm not quite sure I agree with that. I think he's got a good shot, not an excellent shot, but he's not an offensive dynamo. He gets a lot of his points from his hustle and tapping into all of his skills.

To me he's a prime example of a guy who succeeds because he realizes he can' afford to hold back. That's one of the difference between him in NJ and in Anaheim. He realized that his skills weren't quite going to carry him at this level. I'd argue that he's doing in NJ what Miller is doing here - he's figuring out what he needs to do to be an effective NHL player. But it also answers the question of a guy who dramatically ups his offensive production at age 24.

I felt he had quite a few chances in Anaheim to stick in more of a top six role. I've followed him pretty closely - he was actually the kid I was hoping the Rangers would take heading into the 2009 draft. That and I've always been a big fan of Ryan Getzlaf.
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Good posts.

The time I've seen him fully engaged every shift during a game was when he had the hat trick versus Vancouver. He wanted to show up Torts.

Kreider imo is a guy whose shown the same patterns of engagement and disengagement since his college days.

At some point you have to question if hockey is just a really good job for him, or is it his true passion.

Guys like Miller and Zuc... Hockey is their life, that's why they are admired here the way they are, even if they have a bad stretch or two.

Effort is never questioned.

With Kreider.... I don't know if it's there. There's a level of casual indifference in his play that rubs me the wrong way.
 
Games 5 and 6 of the Eastern conference semifinals vs the caps where Kreider scored 2 huge goals seems like forever ago. Totally understand how many have lost patience with him but unless we get something that really helps us and maybe piggybacks a Staal/Boyle/Glass /Girardi out of here I don't want to give up on him yet. I would not be shocked if he had a strong post season (if we wind up keeping him that is).
 
His parents must be rich because he certainly does not play like a poor kid would . Time to cut bait and move on from Kreider....the mentality is simply not there for him to be any kind of a leader for this club . His play just sets the bar lower for others that might don the jersey here .
 
Guy may not be putting up the points we want... or succeeding at the eye-test every night... but believe it or not, this dude still drives the **** out of offense when he's on the ice.

Trading Kreider now would be a huge mistake, IMHO.
 
NYR84 said:
lol. Stepan isn't even that great defensively(or as good as people claim he is), he's just a good PK'er, and pretty meh defensively.
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He's been fantastic defensively (positioning, intercepting passes, stick checking) every year of his career, up until this season. He's been awful defensively this year.
 
the upside of Kreider's season... does this mean we can get an amazing extension contract from him? I feel like we have a lot of leverage in dictating $/term since he isn't playing near to what we all expected out of him this season. Even if he manages to pull it together in the post-season.
 
silverfish said:
Guy may not be putting up the points we want... or succeeding at the eye-test every night... but believe it or not, this dude still drives the **** out of offense when he's on the ice.

Trading Kreider now would be a huge mistake, IMHO.
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Remember the off year Dubinsky had in 2012 right before he was traded for Nash?

That kind of what things have looked like for Kreider this year. He's looked completely listless in some games, but more or less his game has been pretty good for a while now even if the results aren't there.


I wouldn't hold onto him at all costs, but there would have to be a pretty spectacular piece coming back to the Rangers in order for me to even think about moving him.
 
Deathstroke said:
Remember the off year Dubinsky had in 2012 right before he was traded for Nash?

That kind of what things have looked like for Kreider this year. He's looked completely listless in some games, but more or less his game has been pretty good for a while now even if the results aren't there.


I wouldn't hold onto him at all costs, but there would have to be a pretty spectacular piece coming back to the Rangers in order for me to even think about moving him.
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Great comparison. People are complaining about consistency, but I think he's been pretty consistently OK to good for almost two months now. He'll probably have another good post-season if we go deep. JT's surge has made people even more critical of Kreider lately even though he's been mostly fine.
 
Miller Time NYR said:
I seriously think selling low on this guy would be an absolutely terrible idea, but I'm not ready to commit long term. Hockey IQ has always been a problem, I think he needs more time on the film room and for someone on the staff to get on him about the coasting and not using the toolbox to the best of its abilities.
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This post could have been written two years ago, and I have no doubt it was.
 
Mikos87 said:
Good posts.

The time I've seen him fully engaged every shift during a game was when he had the hat trick versus Vancouver. He wanted to show up Torts.

Kreider imo is a guy whose shown the same patterns of engagement and disengagement since his college days.

At some point you have to question if hockey is just a really good job for him, or is it his true passion.

Guys like Miller and Zuc... Hockey is their life, that's why they are admired here the way they are, even if they have a bad stretch or two.

Effort is never questioned.

With Kreider.... I don't know if it's there. There's a level of casual indifference in his play that rubs me the wrong way.
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This is it I think. Sometimes I feel that he's only doing this because of his gifts, and he can be of more use to society in other ways.

You can just tell...and I totally get it.
 
Mikos87 said:
Good posts.

The time I've seen him fully engaged every shift during a game was when he had the hat trick versus Vancouver. He wanted to show up Torts.

Kreider imo is a guy whose shown the same patterns of engagement and disengagement since his college days.

At some point you have to question if hockey is just a really good job for him, or is it his true passion.

Guys like Miller and Zuc... Hockey is their life, that's why they are admired here the way they are, even if they have a bad stretch or two.

Effort is never questioned.

With Kreider.... I don't know if it's there. There's a level of casual indifference in his play that rubs me the wrong way.
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Last game versus the Devils, he had a lane to drive to the net, he tried to make an impossible pass instead.

To me that is the microcosm of my issue, just take the puck to the net.

I don't know if the Price thing got in his head, but it was not his fault. Don't know if that led to the refs looking at him differently, some player runs into him and falls down and Kreider gets the penalty?

Regardless he can not change that stuff, all he could change is to instead of looking to make that pass, take the puck to the net.
 
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