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Player Discussion Chris Kreider Part II: Manimal

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He's a slow starter IMO. Kreider's game usually picks up in the second half of a season and he's usually good even very good in the playoffs.

I actually agree that he still is raw which is one reason why I think there's more upside. He might be our least rounded forward but still even with that--his speed, size and power make him on any given night potentially our most dangerous player for the other team to defend against. When he is not on--he's about as frustrating as Alexei Kovalev used to be when he wasn't on. When he is on he's a major problem for other teams.
 
True Blue said:
I think that he is talking about potential, as opposed to the current level. Still, talk about setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Correct. He isn't there yet. But keep in mind his pedigree he was drafted for his two way ability and and defensive ability. But then he had a hard time translating that as a center in the NHL. Now he is getting more comfortable as a wing. He is getting very good on the offensive side right now. I think inevitably his defensive side will catch up.
 
I love how Kreider gets MURDERED on the reg and Derek Stepan can do basically nothing all season and get a total pass while making 6.5 million a year.

OK

"but two way center thoooooo"

I'll save you the time..
 
Miamipuck said:
If he keeps playing this way, I am ok with the 1 way ability of Miller. He has Fast on his line, Fast can more than make up for Millers weakness on the defensive side. It's happening every game since they have been together.
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My post was referring to someone who said he could be an elite 2-way player in the league. I don't see that in him at all.
 
Raspewtin said:
What player dramatically improves on their own at age 24? I swear we're really clinging to the Guerin and LeClair comparisons where they happened to be huge and develop late.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the kid of leap that a guy like Palmieri is seeing this year. On pace to double his goal totals and almost double his point totals.

And I think Kreider has more imposing tools to work with.
 
eco's bones said:
He's a slow starter IMO. Kreider's game usually picks up in the second half of a season and he's usually good even very good in the playoffs.

I actually agree that he still is raw which is one reason why I think there's more upside. He might be our least rounded forward but still even with that--his speed, size and power make him on any given night potentially our most dangerous player for the other team to defend against. When he is not on--he's about as frustrating as Alexei Kovalev used to be when he wasn't on. When he is on he's a major problem for other teams.
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For all of the frustration that Kovalev brought, he was still a borderline great player. Kreider has had a couple of great games in 4 years.
 
Edge said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the kid of leap that a guy like Palmieri is seeing this year. On pace to double his goal totals and almost double his point totals.

And I think Kreider has more imposing tools to work with.
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Palmieri has an excellent shot with nice offensive instincts though. Not really similar players. And he was woefully underused in Anaheim.
 
Raspewtin said:
Palmieri has an excellent shot with nice offensive instincts though. Not really similar players. And he was woefully underused in Anaheim.
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I'm not quite sure I agree with that. I think he's got a good shot, not an excellent shot, but he's not an offensive dynamo. He gets a lot of his points from his hustle and tapping into all of his skills.

To me he's a prime example of a guy who succeeds because he realizes he can' afford to hold back. That's one of the difference between him in NJ and in Anaheim. He realized that his skills weren't quite going to carry him at this level. I'd argue that he's doing in NJ what Miller is doing here - he's figuring out what he needs to do to be an effective NHL player. But it also answers the question of a guy who dramatically ups his offensive production at age 24.

I felt he had quite a few chances in Anaheim to stick in more of a top six role. I've followed him pretty closely - he was actually the kid I was hoping the Rangers would take heading into the 2009 draft. That and I've always been a big fan of Ryan Getzlaf.
 
I think Kreider will figure it out, may not reflect in his point totals all that much which I don't think are all that bad, but his overall game, he needs to, just like the thread title says, do stuff.

Be engaged, skate, go to the net, hit.

I was watching a Duchene piece on NHL network and he talked out trying to play a perfect game way too much at the start of this season, once he let that go and started to just play with more instinct his season turned around.

Not saying Kreider is even close in talent level or on ice vision, but the way he looks on ice right now, he seems to be really over thinking everything out there.
 
Edge said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the kid of leap that a guy like Palmieri is seeing this year. On pace to double his goal totals and almost double his point totals.

And I think Kreider has more imposing tools to work with.
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Can't speak for everyone, but that really gets to the heart of my frustration with Kreider:

The Tool Box.

You want to build the perfect hockey player, he would probably look A LOT like CK:

Big, Very Fast, Exceptionally Strong, Hard Shot, decent playmaking ability.

He has the tools to make an impact even when he's not playing his best....and there are stretches where not a whole lot happens where you notice him. At some point that has to change. The kind of steps that we see Miller making this year are very much what I wanted to see Kreider making and it's not happening.
 
If he's going to start making the steps he needs to make, he needs to get out of his own head and start skating again.

The player he was up until that Tyutin nonsense boarding call. That's who I want to see on the ice. Public opinion and the refs, in my opinion, have suffocated his game.

Maybe we're seeing signs of that happening though? And just maybe the playoffs, where they let much more physicality happen, need to be where he thrives in the new neutered NHL.
 
5 points in his last 9 games
10 in his last 16 games

I am somewhat enthused even if I don't think he is playing all that great.
 
i think i would definitely trade him...if somehow it also allowed us to unload a staal/girardi disaster contract. I think we would have to make that move.
 
I really fail to see what he does well on a consistent basis.

I like him and all but I think he's more valuable in a trade at this point.
 
MacTruck27 said:
i think i would definitely trade him...if somehow it also allowed us to unload a staal/girardi disaster contract. I think we would have to make that move.
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This... You want Kreider, take Staal too. We'll match salary as long as your sending solid pieces back.

I'm ok with moving him if he's simply going to be a 50 point winger. Nuchiskin or Drouin might be a risk worth taking by trading Kreider when considering Miller on the rise, and Buchnevich's potential.
 
I've wondered for awhile if there is a personal issue in his life--not drugs or abuse, but more like family/girlfriend matters... It's unusual for him to be this inconsistent for this long
 
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