Choose the next HC

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Trying to look at this with a glass half full. Our current forwards are actually right up Carlyle's wheelhouse.

Dominant First Line: (Perron) - Getzlaf - Perry

Offensive Second Line: X - Rakell - X

Defensive Third Line: Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg

Grinder Fourth Line: Garbutt - Thompson - Wagner



This was my first thought too.

Having a fourth line that good is probably pointless under Carlyle, he leans on his upper lines quite a bit. He'd likely lean on Kesler defensively too much, which isn't to say Kesler can't handle it, but it's not using that line right.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Also, Kirk Muller not staying in St.Louis. Have to think he'll get an interview, I'd definitely be OK with hiring him.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I don't think I'd mind Carlyle again. Our team was never known as any sort of playoff choker with him leading it, quite the opposite actually.

He demands the players work and play whatever system he has, and if they don't there is an issue. That sounds good to me.

Losing to Dallas in the first round the year after winning the Cup and giving perennial playoff choker Nashville its first ever series win with a vastly superior forward roster could be rather fairly described as chokes.

 

[caliamad]

Friedman had a blurb in 30 thoughts about it. The two are apparently close, so could just be a courtesy. Then again, Murray didn't really want to fire him the first time, but felt he had to, although that also could be because of their personal relationship.

They seem to have interviewed quite a few guys, and they're taking their time, so perhaps it really is just an extensive search. Probably a decent sign they interviewed him this late in the game, and at the combine, instead of right after BBs firing and in Anaheim.

could be just doing a friend a solid. if Calgary has genuine interest in him but are lowballing or stalling, an anaheim interview might incentive them.

 

[Static]

Losing to Dallas in the first round the year after winning the Cup and giving perennial playoff choker Nashville its first ever series win with a vastly superior forward roster could be rather fairly described as chokes.

That Dallas series was a disaster waiting to happen. Our best players took half the year off while Perry had to return mid-series due to that skate cut, Mac was traded for Doug weight, bertuzzi was on the roster...come on, that wasn't ending well.

The team that played Nashville just plain wasn't that good. That was the year of the magical comebacks, they weren't nearly as good as the record showed. Didn't they make the playoffs and clinch the division in the last weekend against the kings? They weren't even guaranteed a spot going into that if I remember right.

 

[Mr Rogers]

The 08 team had no 2C (neither did the 09 team, and they gave the Wings probably the most issues of any other team). It's pretty crazy that the 11 team even made the playoffs honestly. Just because you win the cup one year doesn't mean you should get back - or even close - during the next.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

They'd be eating Timbits, they're Canadian.

Probably out of their replica Stanley Cup, right after lunch.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Dallas' PP was also ridiculous that series, and the toughness game caught up to us. Disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Paul4587]

Losing to Dallas in the first round the year after winning the Cup and giving perennial playoff choker Nashville its first ever series win with a vastly superior forward roster could be rather fairly described as chokes.

2008 we had no 2C, a decent cup hangover and had some off ice distractions along the way, to name a few problems.

2011 we had Ray Emery in net, two injured defensemen on our top pairing and past our top 5 forwards had my much up front. Look at the bottom 6 we had that year it was awful.

 

[Ducks DVM]

2008 we had no 2C, a decent cup hangover and had some off ice distractions along the way, to name a few problems.

2011 we had Ray Emery in net, two injured defensemen on our top pairing and past our top 5 forwards had my much up front. Look at the bottom 6 we had that year it was awful.

In '08 they still had the 4th best record in the league in spite of those issues.

In '11 the Anaheim top 6 was an entire magnitude of order better than their Nashville counterparts, and the bottom 6 was a wash at best. That team was simply not very good by comparison, and was a notorious St. Louis/San Jose level group of choke artists.

Just because those two teams weren't on the level of the '07 team doesn't mean that the other teams weren't worse. Those were upsets. Not massive world beating upsets, but it's disingenuous to say that BB losing to good teams is choking while RC losing to worse teams is somehow not. Especially when RC couldn't even get those series to 7 games.

 

[snarktacular]

Wasn't the 08 team really hot after Nieds came back? I'm too Getzlaf to look it up.

 

[Ducks in a row]

In '08 they still had the 4th best record in the league in spite of those issues.

In '11 the Anaheim top 6 was an entire magnitude of order better than their Nashville counterparts, and the bottom 6 was a wash at best. That team was simply not very good by comparison, and was a notorious St. Louis/San Jose level group of choke artists.

Just because those two teams weren't on the level of the '07 team doesn't mean that the other teams weren't worse. Those were upsets. Not massive world beating upsets, but it's disingenuous to say that BB losing to good teams is choking while RC losing to worse teams is somehow not. Especially when RC couldn't even get those series to 7 games.

In the 2008 playoffs Perry missed 3 games and R. Niedermayer missed 4 games that and having no #2C caused us problems in the playoffs. In the playoffs weaknesses are a bigger deal then in regular season.

Ducks had not yet become Blues or Sharks level of chokers that happened with BB not RC blowing 3-2 series leads 4 years in a row is totally different then Ducks losing the way they did with RC

 

[SirQuacksALot]

The salt in this thread could kill every fish in the sea.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Wasn't the 08 team really hot after Nieds came back? I'm too Getzlaf to look it up.

They were, one of the leagues best in the new year IIRC (maybe the leagues best).

But really that was such a perfect storm. Undisciplined team gets cracked down on and meets a red hot PP. It's kind of amazing it went six.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Wasn't the 08 team really hot after Nieds came back? I'm too Getzlaf to look it up.

Never go full Getzlaf.

 

[BigKing]

Wasn't the 08 team really hot after Nieds came back? I'm too Getzlaf to look it up.

That's funny.

As a Kings fan, I remember loving 2008 as the Selanne/S. Nieds issue and the trade of Andy Mac really hurt the first half of the season but I think you guys had the best record in the 2nd half of the season and looked prime to once again do damage.

The Dallas series was most definitely an upset but nothing really major. Dallas was pretty good that year and made it to the WCF.

2011 Ducks weren't that good and were pretty similar to Nashville. You could throw a blanket over seeds #4-8 actually and there isn't much separating them at all. It feels like a choke simply because of blowing Game 5 in Anaheim with the tying goal coming with under a minute left and then Smithson of all people scoring the GWG in OT.

The '08 team was worlds better than '11 and were defending champs so it felt like more of a shock but it really wasn't when you take a closer look at it. If anything could be labeled a choke, it would be blowing Game 5 against Nashville but you've got Ray Emery in net and Andreas Lilja on the team so you can't be too harsh.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

That's funny.

As a Kings fan, I remember loving 2008 as the Selanne/S. Nieds issue and the trade of Andy Mac really hurt the first half of the season but I think you guys had the best record in the 2nd half of the season and looked prime to once again do damage.

The Dallas series was most definitely an upset but nothing really major. Dallas was pretty good that year and made it to the WCF.

2011 Ducks weren't that good and were pretty similar to Nashville. You could throw a blanket over seeds #4-8 actually and there isn't much separating them at all. It feels like a choke simply because of blowing Game 5 in Anaheim with the tying goal coming with under a minute left and then Smithson of all people scoring the GWG in OT.

The '08 team was worlds better than '11 and were defending champs so it felt like more of a shock but it really wasn't when you take a closer look at it. If anything could be labeled a choke, it would be blowing Game 5 against Nashville but you've got Ray Emery in net and Andreas Lilja on the team so you can't be too harsh.

Sometimes there's not much parity from the lower seeds but 2011 was crazy. Three way tie for fourth that we won, and 2 points up on 8th place Chicago. Nashville had by far a better goal differential than us as well. 2008 we had a lead but same thing with goal differential.

At the same time, despite the standings difference, I don't think we were the favorite in 2014 or 2015, but we definitely were both of those years IMO. Post 07 I'd definitely give BB the edge in playoff play, but that excludes two pretty big years.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

i would laugh if randy got hired, within a few months this forum will be begging to have bruce back

 

[Dirk316]

i would laugh if randy got hired, within a few months this forum will be begging to have bruce back

I think most would prefer Carlyle during the playoffs including you despite the tantrum. Hopefully we can go back to playing the tough goon style that works

 

[Ducks in a row]

i would laugh if randy got hired, within a few months this forum will be begging to have bruce back

So you think in a few months the Ducks will be horrible with RC back I just don't believe it. We should be able to make the playoffs even with RC back unless our GM makes a lot bad moves. I trust RC in playoffs more then choking BB I just couldn't trust BB in playoffs at all after 4 years choking a 3-2 series lead as well as his history with Washington added to it as well.

 

[mytduxfan*]

God, I wish Claude Julien was available. His season win rate is pretty amazing given some of the dumpster fire teams he's coached and his playoff numbers are some of the best out there.

 

[Lord Flashheart]

So you think in a few months the Ducks will be horrible with RC back I just don't believe it. We should be able to make the playoffs even with RC back unless our GM makes a lot bad moves. I trust RC in playoffs more then choking BB I just couldn't trust BB in playoffs at all after 4 years choking a 3-2 series lead as well as his history with Washington added to it as well.

You trust RC to do what? He, just like BB, would not be able to go out there and execute what players haven't.

 

[Ducks DVM]

You trust RC to do what? He, just like BB, would not be able to go out there and execute what players haven't.

Lose in 6 games, because he won't be able to get them to win a Game 5. That's less of an issue for some reason.

 

[Vipers31]

Hopefully we can go back to playing the tough goon style that works

How has it worked? It hasn't worked, at all. What "worked" was having a ridiculously talented roster featuring two hall-of-fame-defensemen, a top-6 softer than the one we have now, and a shutdown line that wasn't any more goon-ish than the more recent Ducks teams, either. We got some neat timely contributions from a guy like Brad May, but nobody can be daft enough to mistake that for anything other than a side note.

 

[anezthes]

Wasn't the 08 team really hot after Nieds came back? I'm too Getzlaf to look it up.

That is just terrific!