Choose the next HC

[snarktacular]

Make Fowler a coach. You want him off the team, so it's 2 birds in one stone.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I meant recycled among the league, I want someone new with new ideas, even someone younger.

Why? Just because? New coaches tend to fail harder and more spectacularly than the retreads. None of the guys considered the top coaches in the league right now managed squat with their original teams. Or for quite a few years after that job.

 

[Emerald Duck]

Why do ties to the organization matter? I'm guessing they want who they think is the best coach for this team, I'm guessing any ties or familiarity don't matter.

I don't believe Murray wants to take a flyer on an inexperienced HC like Keefe who doesn't know our players or anything about the organization. There is too much at stake for Murray. Boudreau was hired because of his track record in the NHL and AHL and perhaps his reputation as a player's coach. Carlyle was brought in by Burke because they had similar philosophies about how to build a team and style of play.

No one knows for sure what Murray is thinking (maybe he doesn't yet either ). However, he better get his choice right because next time the team makes a front office change it is probably for a new GM.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Why? Just because? New coaches tend to fail harder and more spectacularly than the retreads. None of the guys considered the top coaches in the league right now managed squat with their original teams. Or for quite a few years after that job.

Because there's a reason the coaches are available are available. There's no really good coaches available others than maybe randy but that won't work.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Because there's a reason the coaches are available are available. There's no really good coaches available others than maybe randy but that won't work.

That reason is that there's only a handful of good coaches in the league, and two of them have been responsible for five of the last six Cups. Coaches, much like players, generally have to learn how to win in the playoffs. The last rookie head coach to win a Cup only managed it because he had not one but two generational players in their primes. Our lazy ass vets aren't going to give a rookie head coach any respect.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Why? Just because? New coaches tend to fail harder and more spectacularly than the retreads. None of the guys considered the top coaches in the league right now managed squat with their original teams. Or for quite a few years after that job.

I'm not even certain they do, I haven't seen any data on it or aby thing, but even then, how much of that is the coach and how much of it is the team he takes over? Most rookie coaches take over bad teams, and much of the times those teams don't ever get better in terms of talent, it's not always all on the coach.

I'm not against a guy with experience but I don't think it's all that important. Considering the retreads that are available, I'd probably rather have a rookie.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I'm not even certain they do, I haven't seen any data on it or aby thing, but even then, how much of that is the coach and how much of it is the team he takes over? Most rookie coaches take over bad teams, and much of the times those teams don't ever get better in terms of talent, it's not always all on the coach.

I'm not against a guy with experience but I don't think it's all that important. Considering the retreads that are available, I'd probably rather have a rookie.

Having a rookie coach isn't a bad idea it has worked well before for the Ducks

 

[Ducks DVM]

I'm not even certain they do, I haven't seen any data on it or aby thing, but even then, how much of that is the coach and how much of it is the team he takes over? Most rookie coaches take over bad teams, and much of the times those teams don't ever get better in terms of talent, it's not always all on the coach.

I'm not against a guy with experience but I don't think it's all that important. Considering the retreads that are available, I'd probably rather have a rookie.

Dan Bylsma - one team, one year to first Cup. Two generational talents in prime, hasn't been near one since.
Mike Babcock - two teams, 5 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.
Claude Julien - three teams, 8 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.
Joel Quenneville - three teams, 13 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.
Daryl Sutter - four team, 13 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.

Rookie head coaches just don't win without extenuating circumstances.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

That reason is that there's only a handful of good coaches in the league, and two of them have been responsible for five of the last six Cups. Coaches, much like players, generally have to learn how to win in the playoffs. The last rookie head coach to win a Cup only managed it because he had not one but two generational players in their primes. Our lazy ass vets aren't going to give a rookie head coach any respect.

Our lazy ass vets don't give anyone respect what does it matter?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Our lazy ass vets don't give anyone respect what does it matter?

You're right, it won't. But we have to operate as though it will.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Dan Bylsma - one team, one year to first Cup. Two generational talents in prime, hasn't been near one since.
Mike Babcock - two teams, 5 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.
Claude Julien - three teams, 8 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.
Joel Quenneville - three teams, 13 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.
Daryl Sutter - four team, 13 NHL seasons (and one lockout year) until his first Cup.

Rookie head coaches just don't win without extenuating circumstances.

There have been 22 Cup winning Head Coaches in the last 30 years and 8 of them have been on their first full time stint. That's over a third, and doesn't include guys like Lemaire and possibly Sullivan this year who had very short stints many years before they won their cup. You can find all the reasons you want for all of those guys, you realistically can do it for all 22, but saying they don't win is false, and trying to imply they weren't important is ridiculous.

And even then, I really don't care. Always has to be a first for something, even when it's been done many times. If we're passing on a guy we think is the best coach because he doesn't have experience, that's a huge mistake.

 

[IDuck]

There have been 22 Cup winning Head Coaches in the last 30 years and 8 of them have been on their first full time stint. That's over a third, and doesn't include guys like Lemaire and possibly Sullivan this year who had very short stints many years before they won their cup. You can find all the reasons you want for all of those guys, you realistically can do it for all 22, but saying they don't win is false, and trying to imply they weren't important is ridiculous.

And even then, I really don't care. Always has to be a first for something, even when it's been done many times. If we're passing on a guy we think is the best coach because he doesn't have experience, that's a huge mistake.

Thats pretty impressive, considering that usually when there is a rookie coach it is do to the fact a team was either bad, or underperforming.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

The Anaheim Ducks are expected to pursue Dale Hunter for their head coaching vacancy now that the Memorial Cup is over.
However, it is not known if Hunter wants to make an NHL return after turning down a position in the Toronto Maple Leafs organization last summer.

 

[alcolol]

The Anaheim Ducks are expected to pursue Dale Hunter for their head coaching vacancy now that the Memorial Cup is over.
However, it is not known if Hunter wants to make an NHL return after turning down a position in the Toronto Maple Leafs organization last summer.

Source?

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Please don't post news without sources, it's common courtesy.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Frank SeravalliVerified account ‏@frank_seravalli 5h5 hours ago
After another Mem Cup, belief is Dale Hunter on radar for #Ducks job. Whether or not he's interested in #NHL return remains to be seen. #TSN

Ducks reportedly looking at London Knights coach Dale Hunter: The Anaheim Ducks have been on the... http://*******/1RG29YK #nhl #hockey

 

[Frosted Tips]

This is interesting. We'll see if anything will come out of this, but it would be interesting if he succeeded Boudreau both in Washington and Anaheim.

What's he like? I quickly googled and found this:

“He made everybody extremely accountable,†young defenseman Karl Alzner said. “He really transformed this team, I think, into a team that works extremely hard, is very honest, one that I think that other teams don’t like playing against.â€

Brooks Laich — a well known a fan of previous coach Bruce Boudreau — agreed.

“He taught us as much about leadership and team aspect and respect amongst players and trust in your teammates as he did about hockey,†said the forward. “There were some things culture-wise that had to be adjusted in order for our team to succeed and I thought he did a great job of doing that, put it a step in the right direction.â€

Source: http://www.russianmachineneverbreak...r-draw-of-family-hockey-empire-was-too-great/

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Doesn't Hunter own the CHL team he currently coaches? Isn't that why he left the Caps, to go home and more or less run the family business?

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Doesn't Hunter own the CHL team he currently coaches? Isn't that why he left the Caps, to go home and more or less run the family business?

It was, but now that brother Mark is gone, and he's won another Mem Cup, perhaps he'd like to come back. The Leafs likely eyed him for the spot Keefe got, or a spot on Babcock's bench, and this would obviously be more tempting.

Interesting that this could be the guy BM was waiting to talk to. That'd be one hell of a coup IMO.

 

[Sojourn]

If Hunter is interested, he'd definitely be the guy I'd want.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Hunter or Green

 

[alcolol]

If Hunter is interested, he'd definitely be the guy I'd want.

I completely agree. The more I read about him and his defensive system the more I like him.

Washington Post article

The Hockey Writers article

 

[KatellaKid]

That reason is that there's only a handful of good coaches in the league, and two of them have been responsible for five of the last six Cups. Coaches, much like players, generally have to learn how to win in the playoffs. The last rookie head coach to win a Cup only managed it because he had not one but two generational players in their primes. Our lazy ass vets aren't going to give a rookie head coach any respect.

Excactly. I would be very happy with Hunter and based on the quotes from the Capitals players after he took over for BB he made everyone accountable and changed the culture of the team.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I think Hunter would be a good choice but I still question his interest. When you run the family business, nobody can fire you and you can be with your family all year. When you work somewhere else as a coach, you will be away from your family the whole season and ultimately you will get fired too. He never really wanted the Washington job and only took it for a short time as a favor.

Let's see if Henry has the willingness to open up the purse and make it real tempting. Because I'd guess that's the only chance the Ducks have of landing him.

 

[Frosted Tips]

I also found this as an interesting read of Dale Hunter's Capitals: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/t...-madness-of-dale-hunters-washington-capitals/

Sure this was five years ago, but it doesn't make his system sound too good.


EDIT:

I'll throw this one here as well before going to sleep:

There have been a few changes in Hunter’s style over the years.

He has embraced statistical analysis, for one, as a teaching tool. With talented forecheckers like Matthew Tkachuk and Max Jones on board, he allows them to chase the puck more frequently than some past editions.

“He runs a real good bench,” Mark Hunter said. “He knows how to adapt during a game. He knows who’s playing well and who isn’t. That’s what good coaches do. You look at Max Domi (for four years), he allows players to spread their wings and lets them be who they are.

“We all want a certain system, but he doesn’t put a stranglehold on them. He lets creative players do their thing, but gets them to play solid D, too.”

Source: http://www.lfpress.com/2015/10/29/l...es-during-his-15-year-career-behind-the-bench

That sounds a little better, especially being able to adapt during the game. Based on the comments of some of the old news about Hunter in Washington, it sounded like he forced the defensive system on them while mismanaging some players (AO).