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[dracom]

Still excited and happy about the Maroon trade?

What? That has literally nothing to do with what I posted. Getz and Perry didn't want RC as the coach years ago, why would they want him back now?

 

[Dirk316]

What? That has literally nothing to do with what I posted. Getz and Perry didn't want RC as the coach years ago, why would they want him back now?

Maybe they would like to start actually winning in the playoffs and have realized he is the coach that led them to actually play motivated

 

[dracom]

Maybe they would like to start actually winning in the playoffs and have realized he is the coach that led them to actually play motivated

What makes you think RC will be the guy that has us win in the playoffs? He doesn't have HOF defensemen on the team, a group of young elite forwards, an elite shutdown line, or a Selanne type player. The game is not that same as it was almost 10 years ago when he won.

You're living in the past so hard, it's not even funny. Look at who's winning in the playoffs now, speed and skill are taking over. You can't just punch and hit your way to a championship.

 

[Dirk316]

What makes you think RC will be the guy that has us win in the playoffs? He doesn't have HOF defensemen on the team, a group of young elite forwards, an elite shutdown line, or a Selanne type player. The game is not that same as it was almost 10 years ago when he won.

You're living in the past so hard, it's not even funny. Look at who's winning in the playoffs now, speed and skill are taking over. You can't just punch and hit your way to a championship.

First off when Anaheim won the cup every team they beat was a "speed skill" team so yes it's still possible with the right coach.
The pieces are there for a Carlyle like team with a just a few additions.
Im living in the past yet the rumors are piling up for his return.
What will you do if he does get hired? Become a fan of Detroit or Pittsburgh?

 

[dracom]

First off when Anaheim won the cup every team they beat was a "speed skill" team so yes it's still possible with the right coach.
The pieces are there for a Carlyle like team with a just a few additions.
Im living in the past yet the rumors are piling up for his return.
What will you do if he does get hired? Become a fan of Detroit or Pittsburgh?

Just like the rumors of Bruce getting fired mid-season and RC coming back? I'll believe when it happens, which it won't.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I can guarantee if he's hired it's with their blessings

I doubt it matters. I think with their inability to show up to camp in shape they've lost the right to make management decisions. It's not like Murray hasn't shown the ability to be petty in the past (trading Wiz for a lowball return immediately after signing him before arbitration).

 

[Ducks DVM]

Maybe they would like to start actually winning in the playoffs and have realized he is the coach that led them to actually play motivated

Like the last playoff series he coached against Nashville, where Getzlaf had 0 points in games 3, 5, and 6, and Perry blanked in 5 and 6?

They didn't show up in elimination games under RC either. I find it amusing that RC couldn't get TO game 7's to lose them, but people think that BB losing in 7's is so much worse.

 

[snarktacular]

How often does a GM hire a coach he had fired?

I still don't understand why you would want Carlyle under Murray. Murray is the one who made the team soft, not Boudreau. Murray will never supply the toughness that Carlyle needs to succeed.

 

[Paul4587]

I doubt it matters. I think with their inability to show up to camp in shape they've lost the right to make management decisions. It's not like Murray hasn't shown the ability to be petty in the past (trading Wiz for a lowball return immediately after signing him before arbitration).

Out of curiousity, outside of this season was there any indication any of our top guys came into camp in bad shape before? 2015-16 was the first time we had our best players do absolutely nothing out of the gate since maybe 2011-12.

I'm not excusing those who came into camp out of shape or anything (although Getzlafs appendectomy certainly affected his conditioning from what I've read in interviews) but the narrative around here seems to be that this happens regularly when I'm not sure that's the case.

And yeah I agree Carlyle won't and shouldn't be re hired.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Out of curiousity, outside of this season was there any indication any of our top guys came into camp in bad shape before? 2015-16 was the first time we had our best players do absolutely nothing out of the gate since maybe 2011-12.

I'm not excusing those who came into camp out of shape or anything (although Getzlafs appendectomy certainly affected his conditioning from what I've read in interviews) but the narrative around here seems to be that this happens regularly when I'm not sure that's the case.

And yeah I agree Carlyle won't and shouldn't be re hired.

I'm not sure who is spreading what out there, but an appendicitis comes on quickly when reaching critical status. There's no way his horrible start can be attributed to that.

 

[Terry Yake]

just hire someone already

good lord

 

[ShadowDuck]

Out of curiousity, outside of this season was there any indication any of our top guys came into camp in bad shape before? 2015-16 was the first time we had our best players do absolutely nothing out of the gate since maybe 2011-12.

I'm not excusing those who came into camp out of shape or anything (although Getzlafs appendectomy certainly affected his conditioning from what I've read in interviews) but the narrative around here seems to be that this happens regularly when I'm not sure that's the case.

And yeah I agree Carlyle won't and shouldn't be re hired.

My co-worker (who I trust) knows an equipment guy with the Ducks, and says Getzlaf has always shown up 15 pounds over weight and out of shape at camp.

I know it's about as 3rd hand rumorish as you can get, but thought that was some juicy info these boards need.

On topic, hopefully Hitchcock falls into our lap.

 

[Paul4587]

My co-worker (who I trust) knows an equipment guy with the Ducks, and says Getzlaf has always shown up 15 pounds over weight and out of shape at camp.

I know it's about as 3rd hand rumorish as you can get, but thought that was some juicy info these boards need.

On topic, hopefully Hitchcock falls into our lap.

I don't doubt it - I was just struggling to remember our big guys having a really bad run to start a season before which is why it's probably been swept under the rug in past seasons. It's also less likely to affect a guy in his mid to late 20s than it is a guy in his early 30s I guess.

I'm not sure who is spreading what out there, but an appendicitis comes on quickly when reaching critical status. There's no way his horrible start can be attributed to that.

I remember an interview with Getzlafs himself saying he was in pain for a month before getting the procedure. Can that not be the case?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Out of curiousity, outside of this season was there any indication any of our top guys came into camp in bad shape before? 2015-16 was the first time we had our best players do absolutely nothing out of the gate since maybe 2011-12.

I'm not excusing those who came into camp out of shape or anything (although Getzlafs appendectomy certainly affected his conditioning from what I've read in interviews) but the narrative around here seems to be that this happens regularly when I'm not sure that's the case.

And yeah I agree Carlyle won't and shouldn't be re hired.

I don't think so, but I think once was more than enough. They almost certainly cost the franchise money by doing so - bring one of the worst teams in NHL history to start a season pretty much killed any buzz the team had coming of the previous playoff run, and attendance took a major hit.

 

[anezthes]

My co-worker (who I trust) knows an equipment guy with the Ducks, and says Getzlaf has always shown up 15 pounds over weight and out of shape at camp.

I know it's about as 3rd hand rumorish as you can get, but thought that was some juicy info these boards need.

On topic, hopefully Hitchcock falls into our lap.

Ouch. Brace for impact!

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I remember an interview with Getzlafs himself saying he was in pain for a month before getting the procedure. Can that not be the case?

I don't claim to have any medical background but from everything I've read and people I know living it, an appendicitis comes on quickly, hence the reason you always hear about it being an emergency situation.

 

[Sojourn]

I don't claim to have any medical background but from everything I've read and people I know living it, an appendicitis comes on quickly, hence the reason you always hear about it being an emergency situation.

It's possible he had chronic appendicitis, in which the symptoms can go on for a much longer period of time. You're referring to acute appendicitis, where there is an imminent rupture if it isn't removed. He could have been in pain for weeks, or even months before it was removed.

I'm not saying that was the case, but the acute appendicitis that most people think about isn't the only possibility here. That's the result of a complete blockage, where he could have just had a partial one.

Edit: Added some links. This is medical stuff, so view at your own risk.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/appendicitis/guide/chronic/

https://www.healthgrades.com/conditions/chronic-appendicitis

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4416293/

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I guess since none of us has access to his medical records it's always possible he had some legitimate excuse. But it's not a secret that he doesn't take training seriously and it's not a secret Bob was furious at the conditioning some guys brought to camp. If Getzlaf's horrible start were medically related, I have no doubt we would have know by now, even though they may not have disclosed the details.

Given his penchant for never taking training seriously, you have to really bend over backwards to think he wasn't responsible for his start.

 

[Sojourn]

I'm not trying to argue one way or another. I'm just pointing out that appendicitis symptoms can go on for a much longer period of time. I don't know if that's the case, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

But not taking his conditioning seriously enough, and chronic appendicitis, are not mutually exclusive here. It doesn't need to be one or the other.

 

[Ducks DVM]

said the surgery will take place Wednesday. Getzlaf has had discomfort intermittently over the past six weeks and is expected to be sidelined 4-12 days.

"Well, he's had it for a while," Ducks coach Bruce Boudreau said. "At one point, they (club officials) decided, 'look, we've just got to get it done,' and they decided this was the time to get it done."

It was chronic.

https://www.nhl.com/news/ducks-captain-ryan-getzlaf-out-with-appendicitis/c-785102

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

It was chronic.

https://www.nhl.com/news/ducks-captain-ryan-getzlaf-out-with-appendicitis/c-785102

So is his laziness. That's why they are so hard to tell apart.

 

[Ducks DVM]

So is his laziness. That's why they are so hard to tell apart.

The organization is getting a new head coach to motivate him to have that surgically removed as well

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

The organization is getting a new head coach to motivate him to have that surgically removed as well

We can only hope.

 

[Sojourn]

I'm not going to hold my breath on that. Getzlaf seems to think this is the 70's, where it was normal to let yourself go in the off-season.

 

[AngelDuck]

just hire someone already

good lord

There really shouldn't be a rush. I mean if Sutter was on the market, then yeah there is a rush to sign him. But he re-signed in LA. I think we're one of the only teams with out a coach so plenty of time to evaluate each option. It'll be done by the draft