Proposal: Chicago - Toronto

[Kelly]

I wouldn't put any prospect except McDavid and Matthews as "very likely" to be top 10 in scoring when they're just 23 (which also happened to be his first season).

Leafs fans are acting like Panarin is some vet. He's 24 years old and will be entering his prime when the Leafs are ready to contend. We've seen how teams who are built around 21 year olds turn out... you need some quality vets to help build around the young stars.

I can't see a single reason the Leafs would turn this down.

Because we don't have a player that even closely resembles Patrick Kane? The Leafs of all teams shouldn't be gambling their A prospect for a player that may or may not be able to recreate that offense all by himself without a world class player beside him. Seriously, we literally just finished year 1 of the rebuild, you don't know hockey if you can't see the reason why the Leafs wouldn't trade a player just starting his elc for a player looking for a huge raise on his next contract. It's not rocket science.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I wouldn't put any prospect except McDavid and Matthews as "very likely" to be top 10 in scoring when they're just 23 (which also happened to be his first season).

Leafs fans are acting like Panarin is some vet. He's 24 years old and will be entering his prime when the Leafs are ready to contend. We've seen how teams who are built around 21 year olds turn out... you need some quality vets to help build around the young stars.

I can't see a single reason the Leafs would turn this down.

to tie up 6.5mil long term on a team that's going to need cap space in 3 years?

Panarin was great in his first year, but at almost 25 he's older than most of our core and he's not enough on his own to be the difference for the leafs contending or not. He's a piece of the puzzle, where we don't yet have the other pieces.

In a vaccuum, or as a ready-to-contend team, sure this deal makes sense, just not for a team that's a year past rock bottom

 

[nbwingsfan]

Because we don't have a player that even closely resembles Patrick Kane? The Leafs of all teams shouldn't be gambling their A prospect for a player that may or may not be able to recreate that offense all by himself without a world class player beside him. Seriously, we literally just finished year 1 of the rebuild, you don't know hockey if you can't see the reason why the Leafs wouldn't trade a player just starting his elc for a player looking for a huge raise on his next contract. It's not rocket science.

You'd rather bet on the player with 0 NHL games over the guy who just put up 77 points during his rookie year? Let's also not forget that Kane was not an Art Ross winner before Panarin came around..

The guy is an elite 24 years old. That fits into EVERY teams plans.

 

[Kelly]

You'd rather bet on the player with 0 NHL games over the guy who just put up 77 points during his rookie year? Let's also not forget that Kane was not an Art Ross winner before Panarin came around..

The guy is an elite 24 years old. That fits into EVERY teams plans.

Are you going to ignore the whole ELC vs RFA aspect? Yes I would rather bet on Marner and his age/contract then a player who's going to get a huge raise next year, and really doesn't fit into our core age group. If the Hawks are going to trade Panarin they'll have to go somewhere else because the Leafs won't be paying what the Hawks will rightfully be asking.

If we are trading one of the big three (we arent) it'll be for a RH defenseman, not a scoring winger.

Oh and I'm not sure if you've been watching, Mitch Marner has looked pretty elite this pre season -- ZERO chance I'm trading him before I see what i have in him. I'd hope Leafs mgmt share my opinion, and not yours.

 

[Dustin]

Do we still need to talk about this? Most if not all Hawks fans say no and every Leaf fan says no. This trade doesn't work for either team so can we stop the Panarin vs Marner debate?

 

[bobg1]

Mo no no

 

[AvroArrow]

So Leafs don't need players, who can score a lot and right now? Alright, my fault, sorry.

 

[bobg1]

Panarin has had one excellent season which is one better then marner has had in the NHL. Both carry their own risks while being extremely talented players. There's a reason for Chicago to do this but I'm not really seeing the reason for Toronto. Neither team does this in the end the leafs will develop marner and Chicago will find the cap space to keep Panarin like they do every year.

How can you make a statement like this without Marner playing 1 game in the NHL

 

[CamelToews]

Neither would do this. Silly silly silly.

 

[Halla]

You'd rather bet on the player with 0 NHL games over the guy who just put up 77 points during his rookie year? Let's also not forget that Kane was not an Art Ross winner before Panarin came around..

The guy is an elite 24 years old. That fits into EVERY teams plans.

3 weeks until he is 25, a year until he cashes in on a monster contract.

when the leafs are real good in 3 years or so, marner will be 22 and panarin will be 28. leafs say no, hawks say no, accept it and move on.

no need to bash a fan base because they dont wanna move a prized prospect for a guy about to cash in on a monster payday, one that despite being young, is still 6 years older.

would the hawks have moved toews/kane prior to their rookie season for ales hemsky who had 77pts as a 22 year old?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Are you going to ignore the whole ELC vs RFA aspect? Yes I would rather bet on Marner and his age/contract then a player who's going to get a huge raise next year, and really doesn't fit into our core age group. If the Hawks are going to trade Panarin they'll have to go somewhere else because the Leafs won't be paying what the Hawks will rightfully be asking.

If we are trading one of the big three (we arent) it'll be for a RH defenseman, not a scoring winger.

Oh and I'm not sure if you've been watching, Mitch Marner has looked pretty elite this pre season -- ZERO chance I'm trading him before I see what i have in him. I'd hope Leafs mgmt share my opinion, and not yours.

Except we've seen how well teams do with players who are all in their early 20s leading their team (hint:not good). You need some elite vets on the team. The chances that Marner is as good as Panarin will be when he's 21-22 when the Leafs are ready to contend are very slim.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Basically trading a young Seguin for a young kessel. No thanks, we've been in this story before and we don't like how it ends. Pass

both have a cup now

 

[ChiHawk21]

overrated because he won every possible award last year?
and by the way your guy is 25 in 3 weeks. enjoy paying him 7 mil or trading him haha, we keep our 19 year old top 5 prospect

this is such an HFboard/leafs fan point of view. A 25 year old point per game scorer whos asking for 6*** per year is a bad thing??

I understand not wanting to do this trade but to try and bash our good players because they are not prospects??

 

[Gavy]

Love when people get upset because leafs want to keep their bluechip prospect FOR THEIR REBUILD. REBUILD. REBUILD. WE ARE REBUILDING. What dont you guys get?

We aren't trading our bluechip prospects for immediate help

 

[Gavy]

this is such an HFboard/leafs fan point of view. A 25 year old point per game scorer whos asking for 6*** per year is a bad thing??

I understand not wanting to do this trade but to try and bash our good players because they are not prospects??

Bashes the leafs in his previous post, then goes on to complain about a leaf fan bashing one of their players.

Don't dish it out if you cant take it

 

[Leafsforlife98]

So Leafs don't need players, who can score a lot and right now? Alright, my fault, sorry.

They actually don't need guys who can score goals now and want 6 million long term on a contract. This would be the Kessel trade all over again

 

[hawksrule]

Love when people get upset because leafs want to keep their bluechip prospect FOR THEIR REBUILD. REBUILD. REBUILD. WE ARE REBUILDING. What dont you guys get?

We aren't trading our bluechip prospects for immediate help

No one cares if the leafs want to keep an overrated prospect. This proposal didn't come from a Chicago fan.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Love when people get upset because leafs want to keep their bluechip prospect FOR THEIR REBUILD. REBUILD. REBUILD. WE ARE REBUILDING. What dont you guys get?

We aren't trading our bluechip prospects for immediate help

A 25 year old player is too old for a rebuild?

 

[rick hawk]

The Hawks are peaking now. They are not in a rebuild mode. Why would they trade a 25 year old star for someone who MIGHT become that good in three years time if all goes well ?

 

[ACC1224]

Panarin for Marner+

Well, Toronto has a lot of skillful youngsters and a cap space. Chicago has a lot of pricey veterans and no cap space.

Panarin will definitely help Toronto to become a better team and is young enough for a rebuilding team.

Marner looks like a future star, who is signed to 3 year ELC and ready to play in the NHL right away. He and Toews would look pretty nice together.

As to plus to Marner, Toronto has a lot of young NHL ready wingers with potential, who can help Chicago to solve its cap situation.

Leafs wouldn't do it straight up let alone add.....pass

No one cares if the leafs want to keep an overrated prospect. This proposal didn't come from a Chicago fan.

The proposal was for Marner. They'd easily move an overrated prospect for Panarin.

 

[mcinnesja]

Except we've seen how well teams do with players who are all in their early 20s leading their team (hint:not good). You need some elite vets on the team. The chances that Marner is as good as Panarin will be when he's 21-22 when the Leafs are ready to contend are very slim.

Elite vets? k, so how does trading Marner for Panarin accomplish this?

Marner a high 70 pt player when hes 21-22? wouldn't that mean hes better then Panairn cause he did it at a younger age?

What was Panarin doing as a 19 yr old?
I'll answer for you. Playing for Chekhov Vityaz in the KHL scoring 21 pts in 40 games.
Marner, well he'll be playing in a much tougher league, and id say he will put up at least 21 pts.
The total Panarin did in a lesser league

Leafs are not in a position to trade a top 10 prospect for a player that will push them up in the standings before they are ready.

They should be looking at staying the course of the rebuild unless its for a team weakness(Veteran leader for the top line that would play well with Mattews, so something along the lines of Ladd 2 yrs ago) or (top pairing RD to play with Reilly which there seems to be a few possible in this draft if we cant trade for 1 that fits our age group. Foote, Liljegren)

Panarin looks like a great player, and this trade idea might make more sense in June, once the world sees what Marner can do in the Nhl(most leaf fans already have a fair idea).
It will also give Panarin a chance to show the doubters whether he can repeat his past pt total and play, and that it was not just Kane that made him an almost ppg player

 

[BlueBaron]

I do not really see why this had to turn into a pissing match. Two good players at different stages in their careers. Rebuilding team is reluctant to part with a blue chip prospect while the contender would not mind the cap relief but would ultimately weaken themselves short term. Trade is not ideal for either side.

PS. Not sure how Marner could be overrated when he has accomplished just about everything he could. You just sound desperate.

 

[hawksrule]

I do not really see why this had to turn into a pissing match. Two good players at different stages in their careers. Rebuilding team is reluctant to part with a blue chip prospect while the contender would not mind the cap relief but would ultimately weaken themselves short term. Trade is not ideal for either side.

PS. Not sure how Marner could be overrated when he has accomplished just about everything he could. You just sound desperate.

Sure didn't accomplish much the one time he faced better competition at the WJC. Was very average.

 

[Randy Randerson]

A 25 year old player is too old for a rebuild?

for a team that is aiming to be good in 3-5 years, a 25 year old player is much less ideal than a 19 year old player, yes.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Sure didn't accomplish much the one time he faced better competition at the WJC. Was very average.

He had a bad game once as an 18 year old at a tournament dubbed "the 19 year old's tournament" on a team that was extremely disappointing?

Can the leafs just cut him now? Doubt he gets that ELC if they knew he was going to have this bad game in January