rhinoshawarma
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Proposal: Chicago - Toronto
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Randy Randerson
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Having never played without Kane in the NHL, its not really possible to say that influence didn't increase Panarin's scoring rates....and it definitely stands to reason that playing on a line with the Art Ross winner would inflate line mate's scoring
That's not to say that Panarin isn't a good player on his own, I just don't think he's a pt/game player on his own
Toronto gets the better player right now, which could change as early as this season. Chicago gets the player who is in a better contract situation, and if we were looking at this last season we would say that Marner's ceiling was higher, so that may still be true and only time in the NHL for Marner will tell
Toronto is also not one player of Panarin's ilk away from competing this year, we may be 3-4 years from competing with the players we have in the system, so we're best to hang on to elite prospects and let them develop together rather than patchwork a team together that could compete sooner
Pyrophorus
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Yuck, wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole. You can keep your overrated prospect, we'll keep our ppg 24 year old.
No hyperbole in this post at all. I'm sure the leafs will be just fine keeping Marne as well regardless of how over rated you believe him to be.
Can Panarin score a lot right now without Kane?
Would Marner not do the same job?
You are basically suggesting the Leafs pay to downgrade Marner from a 3yr ELC to RFA and shorten the career by 5 years...
Okay...
Sorry, easy pass.
ConBonJovi
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Easy pass for a rebuilding team like the Leafs.
That said Leafs have plenty of cheap depth scoring wingere that could likely be had for a 3/4th round pick - ie Holland or Leivo. Or the more valuable Brown.
That could be had
That said Leafs have plenty of cheap depth scoring wingere that could likely be had for a 3/4th round pick - ie Holland or Leivo. Or the more valuable Brown.
That could be had
Sundinisagod
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I respectfully disagree with this. Marner has a similar upside to Panarin but he's more than a year away from reaching it.
Sundinisagod
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Thank you for understanding how a rebuild works. Much of the HF experts think we should trade our future away for immediate help. We hope to be something like the Hawks when our younger players hit their peaks.
Why would there be hyperbole?
Panarin works for the Hawks, there is absolutely zero reason to trade him for Marner...
I mean at the very best you would hope Marner would be a ppg player, well Panarin already is a ppg player.
Even from a financial perspective the only thing Marner brings there is the fact he's on an ELC.
As a Hawks fan it would be an easy no......
I think Marner will be a great player but the deal just makes no sense for either team.
Randy Randerson
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Unless the hawks can't sign Panarin, which is probably the only way he becomes available
Panarin is a near ppg player, but also playing on the wing of the Art Ross winner. No doubt that he's a very good player, but the effect of Kane can't be completely discounted either, that's going to add some points
There are those who believe that Marner's upside is a little better than ppg, maybe 90pts-ish, but if you want to call his upside a ppg player it would be ppg in a vaccuum I think (with normal first line linemates, not Art Ross winners).
I don't think Panarin is even available if the Hawks can fit him in to the financial plans, but if he becomes available I think Marner as a return would be more than fair and I wouldn't like this from a Leafs perspective - value is fair but doesn't fit where we are in the rebuild
The value of an ELC shouldn't be understated, 3 years of $900k cap hit for a top 6 winger would be a godsend for a team with cap struggles like the hawks, especially in contrast to Panarin at....$6-6.5m/year?
ThatSaid
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I'll take the proven top-10 scorer over a guy who hasn't suited up for an NHL game yet, thanks. Not saying I'd do it from the Leafs perspective either, but its a definite no from Chicago, without even really thinking about it.
Randy Randerson
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If Panarin is available at all, its because he doesn't fit into the financial plans with his contract demands
Agree that there's more risk with Marner, leafs are in a position to wait and see what we've got - if he turns out there's definite financial rewards, and probably a little more upside than Panarin has. That's the risk vs reward though, leafs are in a position to take on the risk for the potential reward, Chicago I would think sees the window closing in the next 5 years so probably gonna do whatever they can to stay competitive
Marner has won as many Stanley Cups playoff rounds as Panarin. Of course it's sarcasm, but that 5 years age difference and the probable massive contract for Panarin isn't that appealing for the Leafs.
It could be meaningless but Marner is a local boy with friends on the team and with the Marlies. It would leave a bad taste for the others if Marner, who wants to play here, is traded.
So far, Lou has not traded any Leaf prospects I believe, who had a chance at the NHL.
It could be meaningless but Marner is a local boy with friends on the team and with the Marlies. It would leave a bad taste for the others if Marner, who wants to play here, is traded.
So far, Lou has not traded any Leaf prospects I believe, who had a chance at the NHL.
This is a hysterical post
Lets analyze "A beast like marner" and "a russian with 1 season under his belt" how many seasons does this beast marner you speak of have under his belt... 0?? How many points did this russian duster that can't be nearly as valuable as marner have in this irrelevant one season 77, 9th in the NHL in scoring as a rookie.
Well if it looks like the Hawks cant get him signed that is a totally different situation. But the Hawks will get him signed no doubt.
Right now tho I don't see either team doing this deal.
Atomos2
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Basically trading a young Seguin for a young kessel. No thanks, we've been in this story before and we don't like how it ends. Pass
He's going to make 6 million plus next year. Leafs are rebuilding and the wise choice is to stick with Marner who is 5 years younger and will fit the cap when the time is ready.
I do want Panarin, I think he would be a fantastic support price for Mathews, However if they don't sign him now and his contract demands go up there is a chance that the Hawks will have to move him in the off season given the salary they already have committed
I would wait until the offseason and try to pry him away then via trade.
Or just make an off sheet because I think Panarin is a prime candidate for an offer sheet
I would wait until the offseason and try to pry him away then via trade.
Or just make an off sheet because I think Panarin is a prime candidate for an offer sheet
