He had a bad tournament, not one game. If you don't think it matters, that's fine, but it would concern me that he failed against better competition. But at least we can agree that the 'he's accomplished everything possible' argument was false.
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He had a bad tournament, not one game. If you don't think it matters, that's fine, but it would concern me that he failed against better competition. But at least we can agree that the 'he's accomplished everything possible' argument was false.
Jimmy Firecracker
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He's too old when we're expected to trade a top prospect for him.
He will almost be 30 when we are contending and Marner will be like 22-23.
So rather than watching him look amazing in the games he's playing in the NHL now, you're going to talk about him a year ago when he didn't lok amazing in a few games.
By that logic, the Hawks are **** now because they used to be so **** before Toews and Kane. We can just ignore the cups.
You're making yourself look bad
He won't be 30, this team will contend quicker than people think.
I mean you don't give up Marner but it isn't going to be 5 years before we are contenders.
leafs arent moving marner. there is literally zero reason to move him for panarin from a leafs pov. im sure they would gladly gamble he will be as good or better playing with matthews one day and then add cost and age and him being local and there is no deal here. panarin is amazing but not interested to toronto at cost of marner
Is he going to be making that money off of Kane's back? Or is his performance just as good with out him?
ThatSaid
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There isn't a single player in the NHL who can say that playing with Patrick Kane lowers their performance. Its a silly question. Of course he's not going to put up the same high numbers when he's not on a line with the most productive player in the NHL.
That said, Kaner would not have close to 106 points without Panarin. Panarin has the best shot on our team, great skating ability, he wins puck battles in the corner, and he's an elite playmaker. He routinely makes plays like this:
http://md-akc.med.nhl.com/mp4/nhl/2...eb-2144b3265701/1460924789719/asset_1800k.mp4
He intentionally loses the faceoff, grinds the puck back out of the corner, and gives Anisimov an easy tap-in. He's the real deal.
Halla
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4g,6pts in 5 games (led canada) is a bad tourney?
how about the mem cup tournament where his numbers were jaw dropping?
how did panarin do in the world juniors? did he even make it?
didnt look good at the world cup away from his buddy kane
Marner was awful against the USA, bad in the last game (I don't remember who it was against), and invisible for the first two periods of the second to last game before having a good third period). He beat up on a bad team in the second game, bfd.
Who gives a flying **** how Panarin did in the world juniors? He's a ppg NHL player. Against the best competition in the world, Panarin has excelled. Marner crapped the bed in his one chance against better than normal competition.
TheDoldrums
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Almost impressive how much you got wrong here.
This thread should die. Not close to a fit for either team. Chicago needs the better player now. The Leafs need the prospect who better fits their timeline. Stop making ridiculous statements about both guys everybody.
Just like Kane was pretty average at the world cup just recently? See how a small sample on a disappointing team shouldn't be used when there's longer range and more predictive and informative data at hand?
Of course, the question is, is Marner "a beast".
Marner has proven nothing, and your complaining whether Planarian can repeat his season.
Marner has no season to repeat.
I think you over rate Marner.
The Leafs would be delighted if he turned out as good as Panarin was last year.
Randy Randerson
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In his full season league, he literally took home every award available, not sure why this is the fight you want to pick on Marner because its so easy to prove
at the WJC, he was a sophmore player in a seniors tournament where he wasn't supposed to be a pillar for the team. He also co-lead that team in scoring at a better than point per game clip...so really, he wasn't bad, Point, Virtanen, etc were.
BTW, did you know that Panarin had a bunch of games last year that he was a minus and had no points? Hot garbage, cut him.
diceman934
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If Leaf Management proposed this trade to Shanny....he would fire them and rightfully so.
You simply do not trade a player of Marners skill set before he plays in the NHL.
This really should not be to hard to understand.
You simply do not trade a player of Marners skill set before he plays in the NHL.
This really should not be to hard to understand.
Kane has more than proven himself at the NHL level. You're analogy stinks not only because it makes no sense, but because it's not responding to any point. Someone said Marner has accomplished all that he could accomplish last season, and I replied that the one time he faced better competition at the wjc, he was not good. I.e., he could have accomplished more, and the one thing he didn't accomplish came the one time he played superior competition. If that doesn't bother you, fine, what do I care, but for people in this thread to act as if it's a given that he becomes as good or better than Panarin is unbridled homerism.
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According to who? People who dislike the Leafs on HFBoards? He was arguably Canada's best forward along with Strome according to most other sources.
Anyway, no chance the Leafs would touch this trade. Marner has the potential to be better than Matthews. Panarin is also a very good player, but doesn't fit in with the direction of the team right now. I'm sure most rational Chicago fans would say the same thing about Marner and a potential swap.
Randy Randerson
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The WJC is marginally better competition than the CHL - still has the age limit and only a few teams are full of premier junior players. Marner was also as good as anyone on the Canadian team when he wasn't expected to be
If you want to pass off disregarding the 75 CHL games he played last year in favour of the 5 WJC games because he wasn't the best player on the ice there, that's fine, but don't try to pretend that's an objective evaluation, its searching for the negative in a huge body of positive.
No one has said that its a given that Marner becomes better than Panarin, that's a straw man. Marner's ceiling is at least what Panarin is, and likely a little higher, and the leafs are in a position to wait and see.
No, you're missing the point of the analogy. You cannot judge a player based on an extremely small sample size (and as others have said, he was actually above a PPG in that tourney as an underager, so you're really grasping at straws here) when there's larger, more predictive data available. Kane was put in as an example to show you that my claim checks out - even the world's best players have bad games when it matters most. It has nothing to do with Kane's NHL success (obviously everyone knows he's a proven superstar), and it has everything to do with showing how the way you're evaluating Marner is inherently flawed.
And now you're creating a strawman since your other argument has been proven wrong. No one says Marner is a guarantee to be better than Panarin. Could he be? Yes. Could he bust or fall somewhere in between? Yes. Where the Leafs are in there development, trading Marner+ for Panarin doesn't make sense for them, and that's why the deal isn't being made. Not because people think he's McDavid. Stop projecting on others with this homerism bs.
WesMcCauley
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Thats a pretty big statement to make. Panarins almost scored ppg last season. Chances of Marner doing that?
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