Value of: Chiarot to Calgary for Pelletier

[Get North]

Flames need a #1D before they keep adding 2nd pairing guys.

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Would like to see Pelletier with the Habs but i think Flames wont pay that price for Chiarot...

 

[pth2]

They won't fork over Pelletier just for an extra couple picks. I don't blame Hughes for asking for him, but they're not getting him.

I suspect Calgary won't be getting Chiarot, if the lack of enthusiasm here reflects anything about the confidence fans have in their team.

 

[pth2]

LMAO, yeah maybe not Montreal's 1st rounder this year. But man to say he doesn't have the upside of a "1st rounder" is troll af. Anyone with a brain would take Pelletier over even 2 late 1st round scratch tickets

Well, when 3 years after being drafted a guy is still in the AHL, that means he isn't a Pastrnak-type home run. That home-run upside is what isn't present with Pelletier, at this point.

 

[Bond]

I suspect Calgary won't be getting Chiarot, if the lack of enthusiasm here reflects anything about the confidence fans have in their team.

Lol Chiarot isn't going to be the difference maker on the Flames. You just are just sad the rumour doesn't make sense. For a #2C or actual top pairing D I'd have no issues trading Pelletier

 

[Some Other Flame]

The original info comes from Pierre Lebrun, though, so it does have some basis in reality. This isn't just fans on twitter making stuff up.

LeBrun: Flames still looking at Ben Chiarot

We're just eight days out from the 2022 trade deadline, folks, and the...

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Still not a rumor.

That Treliving like Chiarot and the Habs like Pelletier are simple enough facts. But there's no indication, not even from Lebrun, that the Flames are at all inclined to move Pelletier or that they'd move him for Chiarot of all players.

As for Hughes, he can ask for the moon all he wants, doesn't mean he'll get . Hard to see any of the Flames top prospects (Pelletier, Wolf, Coronado, Zary) get moved for rentals.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I suspect Calgary won't be getting Chiarot, if the lack of enthusiasm here reflects anything about the confidence fans have in their team.

No issues here with that, Chiarot is just a worse version of Zadorov, not sure how that is a "confidence" issue with the team, Calgary will be significantly better next season with Pelletier playing on Backlund and Coleman's wing, Chiarot is a solid #7 on the Flames for the playoffs but #7's can be acquired for a 4th/5th

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Well, when 3 years after being drafted a guy is still in the AHL, that means he isn't a Pastrnak-type home run. That home-run upside is what isn't present with Pelletier, at this point.

What do you mean "still in the AHL" he's literally never played in the AHL until this year because of how the CHL rules work.

 

[pth2]

No issues here with that, Chiarot is just a worse version of Zadorov, not sure how that is a "confidence" issue with the team, Calgary will be significantly better next season with Pelletier playing on Backlund and Coleman's wing, Chiarot is a solid #7 on the Flames for the playoffs but #7's can be acquired for a 4th/5th

I meant that if fans had confidence that this team might have the potential for a run, getting an added top-4 might make sense, even if the price hurt.
Then again, you see a top-4 D as a 7th, so I have to assume management sees thing differently.

 

[Bond]

Well, when 3 years after being drafted a guy is still in the AHL, that means he isn't a Pastrnak-type home run. That home-run upside is what isn't present with Pelletier, at this point.

He doesn't need to have Pastrnak value to have more upside than first rounders. Have you ever looked at the odds of a first round pick busting, they are still pretty high

 

[Garbageyuk]

Lol there is no way this is happening. If Treliving does this, he should be fired on the spot.

The price for Chiarot should be a 1st and a B prospect. Considering the Habs already have Calgary’s 1st, something else would need to be worked out.

I hope Calgary does acquire Chiarot though because I think he could really help them.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I meant that if fans had confidence that this team might have the potential for a run, getting an added top-4 might make sense, even if the price hurt.
Then again, you see a top-4 D as a 7th, so I have to assume management sees thing differently.

Name 1 defenseman on Calgary that Chiarot pushes out of the lineup

 

[pth2]

What do you mean "still in the AHL" he's literally never played in the AHL until this year because of how the CHL rules work.

Some players, the guys with high-end talent, can go straight to the NHL, right after being drafted, or after 1 additional Junior season, or after 2.

 

[Bond]

I meant that if fans had confidence that this team might have the potential for a run, getting an added top-4 might make sense, even if the price hurt.
Then again, you see a top-4 D as a 7th, so I have to assume management sees thing differently.

He's not a top 4 D on the Flames. He is a wash against the bottom pairing. He'd be fine if they got him cheap I guess

 

[zar]

Stop saying it's a Habs fake rumors Pierre Lebrun straight up said it on live tv tonight that Habs asked for Pelletier in return of Chiarot. He also said that the Flames refuses to move Pelletier so either they find another way to make it work or Chairot won't end up in Calgary unless they agree let Pelletier go last minute.

... or the Habs take some thing lesser than Pelletier for Chiarot.

 

[pth2]

Name 1 defenseman on Calgary that Chiarot pushes out of the lineup

Ask your GM, he's the one wanting to trade for him.

 

[Bond]

Some players, the guys with high-end talent, can go straight to the NHL, right after being drafted, or after 1 additional Junior season, or after 2.

Name 5 late first rounders to do so lol

 

[pth2]

... or the Habs take some thing lesser than Pelletier for Chairot.

I've suggested a few options for that...

 

[Some Other Flame]

I suspect Calgary won't be getting Chiarot, if the lack of enthusiasm here reflects anything about the confidence fans have in their team.. I doubt you'll find a single Flames here or virtually anywhere that even wants Chiarot. Treliving preoccupation with is bewildering given he'd be a healthy scratch on the Flames.

lol like Chiarot would be any kind of difference. He'd be a healthy scratch on the Flames.

 

[zar]

I really don't see this happening. The Flames, overall, love to put time into developing players. Sometimes too much time, and they don't give those players opportunities soon enough. They generally do not give up on guys they've invested time into though.

Also the last thing the Flames need is another shut down dman. If anything, the flames need a pp point dman and an upgrade at centre.

Makes zero sense and I'll be quite upset if this goes down.

... did someone say they need a PP dman? How flexible are you on the "defense" part of Dman?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Some players, the guys with high-end talent, can go straight to the NHL, right after being drafted, or after 1 additional Junior season, or after 2.

Ok and? Calgary has no reason to rush his development, you are trying to undermine a guy dominating the AHL because Calgary has decided to let him develop as a rookie in the AHL instead of rushing him.

 

[pth2]

Name 5 late first rounders to do so lol

1) Why late first-rounders ? Draft rank means nothing once you're drafted.
2) Go have fun on hockeydb on your own. We all know it happens. Pastrnak, Zegras, Newhook, Suzuki, Caufield are 5 off the top of my head who made the NHL faster.

 

[DFF]

Flames need a #1D before they keep adding 2nd pairing guys.

Sure, where can they get a #1 D?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Ask your GM, he's the one wanting to trade for him.

Yeah I'll take Chiarot on Calgary, you want a 4th for him, retain 50% and I'll up it to a 3rd. I would trade something like that for him, I'm guessing my GM is probably in a similar boat as he would be a decent guy to fill in for an injury.

 

[pth2]

Ok and? Calgary has no reason to rush his development, you are trying to undermine a guy dominating the AHL because Calgary has decided to let him develop as a rookie in the AHL instead of rushing him.

Not so much undermine as frame properly.... guys who develop properly can have great careers, but they usually aren't the very high-end guys. That high-end potential (of, say, a Pastrnak, or a Pacioretty) likely isn't there when a team trades for a player in his D+3 season.