We've heard nothing on Oscar Lindberg, maybe he's not thrilled to be in Vegas. Tradeback to the Rangers? Rangers offersheet? Goes to Sweden?
Dunno if Vegas could afford to pay for the bar tab given Kane and Quenneville are on the team.
These signing bonus hand shake deals are wacky. Either make signing bonuses stay with the cap of the team that pays them, or let teams trade guys and retain signing bonuses within the player's upcoming year of their contract.
It seems like a CBA loophole. Why is it that accrued salary throughout the year stays on each team's cap, but signing bonuses paid out don't if the player is traded?
What's the chances they retain and flip him back to the Hawks?What's the betting that they retain 1-1.5 million and then flip him picks/prospects at the deadline?
What's the chances they retain and flip him back to the Hawks?
Seems like a reasonable topic for the next CBA negotiation.
Where does Bellemare-Krugar rank among top pm forward duos?
At half price he'd be an amazing 4C for someone.
The Blackhawks do love their reunions...
Next to none. I think you have to wait a year or something to trade a player back to the team you acquired them from in a trade.
The Internet would die if that happened and Hossa plays in the playoffs....No, that's the buyout policy.... If you buy a player out you have to wait a year before you can reacquire him...
I think it would be funny if say the Hawks send Vegas a pick or prospect for Kruger at 50% (1.5)... Watching the Hawk haters heads explode would be amusing.
What's the chances they retain and flip him back to the Hawks?
No, that's the buyout policy.... If you buy a player out you have to wait a year before you can reacquire him...
I think it would be funny if say the Hawks send Vegas a pick or prospect for Kruger at 50% (1.5)... Watching the Hawk haters heads explode would be amusing.
(C) Under no circumstances may a Club:
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(4) Reacquire as part of a Retained Salary Transaction the SPC of a Player who was on that Club's Reserve List within the past calendar year;
Illustration: If Club A Trades the SPC of a Player to Club B (the "Initial Trade"), Club B cannot subsequently Trade an SPC of such Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade and retain a portion of the Averaged Amount of that SPC pursuant to a Retained Salary Transaction. However, Club B may Trade an SPC of the Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade if Club B does not retain any portion of such Player's SPC.
Buuuut, if Vegas made a trade with some team while retaining salary then that team traded to the Hawks it could, work.It's not allowed. Teams cannot acquire a player in a Retain Salary Transaction if that player was on the team's roster or reserve list in the past year.
CBA 50.5(e)(C)(4), page 273.
Buuuut, if Vegas made a trade with some team while retaining salary then that team traded to the Hawks it could, work.
It's not going to happen, but there's always loopholes
Buuuut, if Vegas made a trade with some team while retaining salary then that team traded to the Hawks it could, work.
It's not going to happen, but there's always loopholes
Buuuut, if Vegas made a trade with some team while retaining salary then that team traded to the Hawks it could, work.
It's not going to happen, but there's always loopholes
Not a CBA lawyer (not even a garden variety lawyer in my own country), but wouldn't trading on a salary retained player still qualify as a retained salary transaction? I'd have guessed that would still be prohibited by the clause.
As in team B or any third team can trade the contract back to team A only as long as there is no salary retention involved on the contract. Once it is - automatic one year waiting period.
Another thing that trips me up is the specific use of "calendar year" in the CBA. The original term "who was on that Club's Reserve List within the past calendar year" suggests Kruger could return to the Hawks in 2019 at the earliest, because he was on their reserve list in 2017, which all through 2018 would be the previous calendar year.
But then the example says "within one calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade" as if Hawks could actually reacquire Kruger as early as Jan 2018 (just not within 2017 itself).
Then again maybe you guys use the term calendar year completely differently from my German understanding of it. So from the interpretations, I am guessing, it's just used interchangeably with year. As in any 12 month period?
It depends on how the NHL interprets the word "Transaction", the CBA isn't 100% clear. The CBA appears to define the Transaction as taking place between Team A (retaining) and Team B (acquiring) where the salary is actually retained. A legal argument could be made that if Team B later traded the player to Team C without additional retention that Team C has now taken on the obligations of Team B and is now a partner in the Retained Salary Transaction.
Yeah, the term calendar year can be used interchangeably in U.S. contracts. Usually the contract will include enough context where it is obvious if the intent is a period of 12 calendar months starting from Jan 1st or 12 calendar months calculated from any particular day. In this case it's calculated from the last day the player was on a team's reserve list.