Confirmed with Link: [CHI/VAN] Gustav Forsling traded for Adam Clendening

[vanuck]

Ugh.

Yes, we got a good player in return. But Clendening was the odd man out in Chicago, and would be waiver eligible next year. Players like that are not worth promising prospects. They're worth 3rd round picks in 2016 (and, for that matter, Pedan is not one of them).

The hockey aspects of this trade are a wash. People criticize Forsling for a poor defensive game, but Clendening has that problem too. And Forsling is an 18 year old who, until recently, was playing top 4 minutes for the 3rd place SHL team.

The issue here is asset management. It stinks. It's stunk for every move Benning has made.

A GM said during the draft that Benning was an easy negotiator. Those words couldn't be truer.

Is there a link for this quote? Interesting...

 

[FroshaugFan2]

I am almost 100% sure he didn't average 20 minutes

Maybe not averaging, but a number of games he played 20+ minutes.

http://www.shl.se/statistics/profile/gamelog/2729/2014

Go back as far as you can here. Everyone ahead of him is either a year older, or one of Victor Hedman and Adam Larsson.

http://www.shl.se/statistics/players/summary/TOI_GP/2014/SHL/D/Junior/All/All/All/All/dec

This wouldn't be the case if he was as poor defensively as people here are making him out to be. In fact what I have seen of him (which corroborates with what I have heard from SHL fans) is that he is a two way defenceman with a great shot. His reputation as a PP specialist seems on be entirely based off of the WJCs.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Draft picks. If they don't want it, then who cares? Target someone else.

It just seems like you are making a big deal out of very little. 7 months ago Forsling was exactly that, a draft pick. Yeah, his value has probably increased from that of a 5th round pick, but even if you consider him a 2nd or 3rd round equivalent at 18 years old he is pretty much the same asset as a draft pick. If this exact trade was made the day before or day after the draft, would you have the same issue? Or do you really believe that half a season as a bottom 4 defenceman in the SHL (not unimpressive) and a good 6 game tournament increases his vaue THAT much?

 

[drax0s]

Draft picks. If they don't want it, then who cares? Target someone else.

I'd say it's pretty likely that he had a few guys in mind and took the one with what he considered the best deal on the table.

Remember, even with his awesome WJC, people were saying Forsling would only be selected in the 2nd round instead of the 5th. 2nd round picks statistically have a 34.0% chance of playing over 100 NHL games. Clendening might actually have a higher chance than that.

Anyways, you don't agree that we should've traded Forsling and that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. I'm happy we have an active GM who is trying to make the team better via what I consider well-placed bets.

 

[arsmaster*]

I'm torn on this deal.

On one hand, Forsling is way behind on development (especially adjusting to the north american game) and Clendening is a much safer bet on a solid NHLer.

On the other, Forsling was lighting it up at the World Juniors and had something we desperately need, a power play quarterback on the point.

I guess time will tell.

He didn't even QB sweden's PP. He was the trigger man like Edler is here. He's a shooter.

That pp ran through nylander. He was the QB.

Still have no issue with this deal.

 

[realist99]

I'd say it's pretty likely that he had a few guys in mind and took the one with what he considered the best deal on the table.

Remember, even with his awesome WJC, people were saying Forsling would only be selected in the 2nd round instead of the 5th. 2nd round picks statistically have a 34.0% chance of playing over 100 NHL games. Clendening might actually have a higher chance than that.

Anyways, you don't agree that we should've traded Forsling and that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. I'm happy we have an active GM who is trying to make the team better via what I consider well-placed bets.

Agree 100%

 

[banme*]

He didn't even QB sweden's PP. He was the trigger man like Edler is here. He's a shooter.

That pp ran through nylander. He was the QB.

Still have no issue with this deal.

Funny that Forsling is being praised for things that he isn't and Clendening is.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Good lord, I don't know. Linden Vey went for a 2nd round pick. Pirri went for a 3rd and a later pick. Dalpe got traded here for a 4th. Depends on how many picks the team has. What's the point of your question?

The point is that Benning took a 5th round pick in last years' draft and turned it into the equivalent of likely a 2nd/3rd round pick less than a year later. And you call that bad asset management? Ok....

 

[TacitEndorsement]

My understanding of what Benning is doing with Vey, and now Clendening, is that he's trying to repair our pipeline.

I think it's been proven that you need a consistent flow of prospects maturing and becoming NHL players to sustain success. You can't have none, obviously, and having a whole bunch at once isn't very beneficial either. You need that steady stream.

When you look at Clendening and Vey, look at their draft years. 09 and 11. From 09-11 our draft produced entirely, Niklas Jensen. That is a HUGE gap in our pipeline.

To me that is what makes him an excellent GM. He understands the philosophy of the pipeline and is identifying gaps and filling them pretty cost effectively.

 

[TacitEndorsement]

To expand on that, I didn't even realize the other connection between the Vey and Clendening deals.

In both cases Benning identified a team which was stacked at one position. He managed to acquire arguably the team's top prospect of that position. If that's a trend which continues we could probably take good educated guesses at who else he's targeting.

 

[me2]

The point is that Benning took a 5th round pick in last years' draft and turned it into the equivalent of likely a 2nd/3rd round pick less than a year later. And you call that bad asset management? Ok....

I'd be happier if he traded last years 6th and 7th, and 6th+7th is worth more than a 5th. Point being once a player is taken it becomes about the player not the pick. The asset is Forsling not a 5th. After all Benning turned a 2nd into a 4th when he got Vey - terrible asset managment.....

 

[Pip]

The point is that Benning took a 5th round pick in last years' draft and turned it into the equivalent of likely a 2nd/3rd round pick less than a year later. And you call that bad asset management? Ok....

Playee values change signfificantly after the draft. Just because a fifth round pick increased his value to a 2/3 round pick, it doesnt mean it's good asset management to move him.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Playee values change signfificantly after the draft. Just because a fifth round pick increased his value to a 2/3 round pick, it doesnt mean it's good asset management to move him.

The point is he took a 5th round draft pick and turned into a 2nd round value player. Whether that player is 18 and 5 years away from the NHL or ready to make the jump now is moot. Either way it's good asset management due to good drafting.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I'd be happier if he traded last years 6th and 7th, and 6th+7th is worth more than a 5th. Point being once a player is taken it becomes about the player not the pick. The asset is Forsling not a 5th. After all Benning turned a 2nd into a 4th when he got Vey - terrible asset managment.....

Benning tunred a 5th round pick into a quality young defenceman over an 8 month time span. How is that bad management?

 

[me2]

How does Y. Weber compare to Clendening at AHL?

 

[Pip]

The point is he took a 5th round draft pick and turned into a 2nd round value player. Whether that player is 18 and 5 years away from the NHL or ready to make the jump now is moot. Either way it's good asset management due to good drafting.

So if we move Corrado for Jordan Schroeder that would be good asset management?

It's good drafting, not good asset management.

 

[IntangiBo]

How does Y. Weber compare to Clendening at AHL?

I'm sure somebody will point out the statistics and claim they are similar players.

 

[Alan Jackson]

Benning tunred a 5th round pick into a quality young defenceman over an 8 month time span. How is that bad management?

You have a pre-determined position and criticize every move, that's how.

All that can be said about this trade is: it may or may not turn out. We don't know.

We've acquired a young player who may or may not fill a hole. We gave away a player that may or may not play in the league.

To suggest that this is a bad move is evidence of bias.

Don't we all cheer for the same team? I don't understand this obsession some people have with bashing everything the team does. Gillis is gone, get over it.

 

[Pip]

Draft position is irrelevant once the next season starts.

 

[IntangiBo]

Draft position is irrelevant once the next season starts.

Would this deal be different is Forsling was a 1st round pick? Do you see how that would affect defining the asset managiness of this?

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

You have a pre-determined position and criticize every move, that's how.

All that can be said about this trade is: it may or may not turn out. We don't know.

We've acquired a young player who may or may not fill a hole. We gave away a player that may or may not play in the league.

To suggest that this is a bad move is evidence of bias.

Don't we all cheer for the same team? I don't understand this obsession some people have with bashing everything the team does. Gillis is gone, get over it.

Believe me, I swear to God I would ****ing love it if this team would do something that I agree with. Just because the team has somehow made like ten moves in a row that I don't like doesn't mean I am preconditioned to not like them any more than flipping heads ten times in a row means I have some sort of magical coin flipping ability. I don't like the direction this team is taking, get over it.

 

[Pip]

Would this deal be different is Forsling was a 1st round pick? Do you see how that would affect defining the asset managiness of this?

It depends on the player, not where the player was picked.

 

[Grazzy]

It depends on the player, not where the player was picked.

So who's got more value in the trade market right now? Virtanen or Mccann? Draft position does matter until you've been doing something consistently to change it.

 

[IntangiBo]

It depends on the player, not where the player was picked.

I'd say the Canucks would consider Forsling picked in the first as more valuable an asset since they paid for to get him. I think you are trying too hard to oversimplify something that isn't simple at all. Some people need things to be in black & white, other ok with shades of grey, all 50 of them.

 

[Pip]

I'd say the Canucks would consider Forsling picked in the first as more valuable an asset since they paid for to get him. I think you are trying too hard to oversimplify something that isn't simple at all. Some people need things to be in black & white, other ok with shades of grey, all 50 of them.

That's nice that you think that