Proposal: CHI MTL, you want Demidov?

[Frank Drebin]

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Landy-strome
Murray-reilly
Barkov Lindholm
Reinhart dal colle
Eichel hanifin
Laine juolevi
Patrick Petterson
Svech hayton
Kaako turcotte

2012, 2017 out of 10 drafts you got a better player at 5 than at 2

 

[Miller Time]

Beck has that kind of value eh?

On hfboards he does today. Two weeks ago, not so much.

 

[Egresch]

Seguin nino
Landy-strome
Murray-reilly
Barkov Lindholm
Reinhart dal colle
Eichel hanifin
Laine juolevi
Patrick Petterson
Svech hayton
Kaako turcotte

2012, 2017 out of 10 drafts you got a better player at 5 than at 2

You know these comparisons make no sense, right? Usually, there might be 2-3 elite players in the draft, so there is no surprise 2 becomes better than 5. Or it might be just drafting the wrong kid at 5.
You can do:
Landy- Kucherov
Reinhart- Nylander
Eichel- Rantanen
Laine- M.Tkachuk
Svechnikov-Q.Hughes
Kakko- Seider
and you would have totally diferent outcome.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hawks already alluded to reality they are not trading down

I would trade down if Demidov is not plan but they seem set on Lev at #2

And I would want deal to be

To
2nd overall

To
5th overall
26th overall

Use #18 and #26 together to try and trade up, if no interest then pick two forwards in those spots

 

[Frank Drebin]

You know these comparisons make no sense, right? Usually, there might be 2-3 elite players in the draft, so there is no surprise 2 becomes better than 5. Or it might be just drafting the wrong kid at 5.
You can do:
Landy- Kucherov
Reinhart- Nylander
Eichel- Rantanen
Laine- M.Tkachuk
Svechnikov-Q.Hughes
Kakko- Seider
and you would have totally diferent outcome.

#2 pick is better than #5 pick 80% of the time. Fact. You don't get to choose the best player picked from 5-10 or the best player picked in the draft after #2. That - makes no sense.

 

[Rafafouille]

I do that deal anytime. Don't see a world where Beck is more than a good #3 or elite #4 center. He doesn't have the offense. I don't mind giving up Jake Evans Jr to move up 3 spots.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Deal for me

I do that deal anytime. Don't see a world where Beck is more than a good #3 or elite #4 center. He doesn't have the offense. I don't mind giving up Jake Evans Jr to move up 3 spots.

I saw a bunch of habs fans in this thread laugh it off as if Beck was some untouchable top prospect

 

[Kshahdoo]

It's one of those threads I'll have good laugh about in a few years...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Why would Chicago take Eiserman at 5? They already have an elite young goal scorer who doesn't play defense....

And Owen Beck is not enough to move down from 2 to 5.

 

[Rafafouille]

Deal for me


I saw a bunch of habs fans in this thread laugh it off as if Beck was some untouchable top prospect

Hfboards in a nutshell, guy has been disappointing ever since his draft but suddenly has 2 good games at the memorial cup and he's a can't miss prospect.

Joshua Roy has 265pts in 146gp in 2 Q years post draft playoffs(47pts in 25gp) included as well as 19pts in 14gp at the world juniors.

Owen Beck has 177pts in 156gp(30pts in 39gp in the playoffs) as well as 2 pts in 8gp at the world juniors.


If the Habs have a prospect who's a clutch playoff performer, I'm sorry but it's not Beck. Saginaw had a real shot at winning the OHL this year if Beck kept up his regular season pace.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

I think most Habs fans will happily say "no deal" in that case.

I doubt habs would draft him anyways. As an organization they seem adverse to drafting high-end prospects with superstar potential, preferring to play it safe.

It's nuts how long it's been since they've had that type of player.

I get that luck plays into it but the habs play it way to safe, they draft the most vanilla players, the trade for the most vanilla players, which is weird considering the history of the city and team.
It has to annoy fans seeing a team that is being built to be the wild of the East? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's all doom and gloom and there's definitely risks going boom or bust but if you don't have a chance at a Bedard or McDavid, sometimes you gotta draft the 160 pound centre at 5 (EP40) over the Glasses of the world.

 

[wedge]

The price is reasonable, I guess. But I'd rather keep Beck and get a chance at Lindstrom. Maybe Demidov will still be there. If neither of them is still available, I don't have a problem taking one of the top D of trading the pick for another player. There are so many options that would be better than giving Beck away.

 

[montreal]

Hfboards in a nutshell, guy has been disappointing ever since his draft but suddenly has 2 good games at the memorial cup and he's a can't miss prospect.

Joshua Roy has 265pts in 146gp in 2 Q years post draft playoffs(47pts in 25gp) included as well as 19pts in 14gp at the world juniors.

Owen Beck has 177pts in 156gp(30pts in 39gp in the playoffs) as well as 2 pts in 8gp at the world juniors.


If the Habs have a prospect who's a clutch playoff performer, I'm sorry but it's not Beck. Saginaw had a real shot at winning the OHL this year if Beck kept up his regular season pace.

comparing him to Roy in the Q is pointless imo as they are very different players. But if you are looking at Beck, I would suggest looking at it this way,

In the last 2 years he's been traded twice, so he's played for 3 teams. I would ask what you know about the Petes and their style of play. Here's his numbers the last 2 years with Petes and without.

PBO - 55-23-32-55 (1.0 ppg)
MIS/SAG - 62-35-57-92 (1.48 ppg)

So what player is Beck the one that on 2 teams he's put up a combined 1.48 ppg or a 1.0 ppg on a team that plays a much more defensive kind of game.

 

[CanadienShark]

Hawks already alluded to reality they are not trading down

I would trade down if Demidov is not plan but they seem set on Lev at #2

And I would want deal to be

To
2nd overall

To
5th overall
26th overall

Use #18 and #26 together to try and trade up, if no interest then pick two forwards in those spots

Holy hell.

No.

I doubt habs would draft him anyways. As an organization they seem adverse to drafting high-end prospects with superstar potential, preferring to play it safe.

It's nuts how long it's been since they've had that type of player.

I get that luck plays into it but the habs play it way to safe, they draft the most vanilla players, the trade for the most vanilla players, which is weird considering the history of the city and team.
It has to annoy fans seeing a team that is being built to be the wild of the East? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's all doom and gloom and there's definitely risks going boom or bust but if you don't have a chance at a Bedard or McDavid, sometimes you gotta draft the 160 pound centre at 5 (EP40) over the Glasses of the world.

Uhh, you know we have different management now, right? His first draft, Hughes chose Slafkovsky over Wright.

 

[samsagat]

Would be wise for both teams.

Chicago needs about everything, so drafting a left defenseman would still do it for them. Adding a solid middle 6 center, in Philip Danault's mold, would certainly check some boxes for them too.

MTL has more specific needs, so at two they'd be able to dodge being in a position where BPAs are mostly LHD.

They'd be able to choose which one between Demidov or Lindstrom they wanna take.

 

[Colezuki]

No Chicago. We are losing our minds.
There are some Montreal fans out there offering Harris or Barron, I want to kill myself.

Why would we trade up when it's known the blackhawks have been heavily scouting Lev, a defenseman and the (somewhat) consensus #2 player and we want one of the 2 forwards who could both be there at 5 already? We'd essentially just need one of ANA or CBJ to take a D and we'd be good.

If we we're looking at a #2 consensus centre/winger i'd be willing to offer more but given the current situation there is no need to go big.

 

[samsagat]

Fair enough but most people are assuming that he is an automatic star for the Habs and while he is a great prospect, probably their best forward one, too many people are stat watching here.

Beck was in a very good situation on a talented team in his last junior year the next step is going to be hard.

Beck isn't about stats, he's about playing a 200' game while being able to chip some offense, à la Danault.

He's your textbook elite middle 6 center that can do it all, if he hits his potential.

And according to his work ethics, chances are he'll hit his potential.

Plus he won a trophee for being the OHL best student. The guy's smart and he works his ass off to be the best version of himself, whatever he's doing.

 

[Legend123]

Fair enough but most people are assuming that he is an automatic star for the Habs and while he is a great prospect, probably their best forward one, too many people are stat watching here.

Beck was in a very good situation on a talented team in his last junior year the next step is going to be hard.

He won't produce much but maybe he can be a danault / lundell type of player and that would be huge for our rebuild especially come playoff time.

I also like kapanen for that role but beck sounds like the perfect 3c 2 way player

 

[samsagat]

Why would we trade up when it's known the blackhawks have been heavily scouting Lev, a defenseman and the (somewhat) consensus #2 player and we want one of the 2 forwards who could both be there at 5 already? We'd essentially just need one of ANA or CBJ to take a D and we'd be good.

If we we're looking at a #2 consensus centre/winger i'd be willing to offer more but given the current situation there is no need to go big.

This draft can go in a wide range of directions after Celebrini at 1st overall.

We know that Chicago scouted Levshunov heavily, but after that it's blurry.

Anaheim have a lot of power forwards in the making. McTavish, Carlsson and Gauthier make Lindstrom a little redundant for them.

But Demidov would be a good catch for Anaheim, even more if Zegras is traded, like the rumors are saying.

Columbus are rumored to be after "players that can put the puck in the net", according to the newly hired Waddell.

Lindstrom fits that bill.

The problem for me, as I watched a lot of "shift by shift" games of the top 15 prospects of this draft, is that after Demidov and Lindstrom, imho the BPAs are gonna be LHD.

I like Iginla a lot but according to what I saw, with the informations that we actually have, he's not in the same category of players as the Buium/Dickinson/Silayev of this world.

So personally, I like Beck a lot, but if he's what it takes to be able to put Habs in a position where they can grab what they really need, I'd do it.

 

[Rafafouille]

comparing him to Roy in the Q is pointless imo as they are very different players. But if you are looking at Beck, I would suggest looking at it this way,

In the last 2 years he's been traded twice, so he's played for 3 teams. I would ask what you know about the Petes and their style of play. Here's his numbers the last 2 years with Petes and without.

PBO - 55-23-32-55 (1.0 ppg)
MIS/SAG - 62-35-57-92 (1.48 ppg)

So what player is Beck the one that on 2 teams he's put up a combined 1.48 ppg or a 1.0 ppg on a team that plays a much more defensive kind of game.

Go ahead and have some fun on hockeydb, went back to like 2013, the only comparable I could find as a 2nd round pick from the OHL that had an NHL career with similar OHL production to Beck is Tyler Bertuzzi. Otherwise you're looking at 1.8-2PPG, 100-120pts in their draft +2 to have a shot at an NHL career, guys like Kyrou, Debrincat, Evangelista, Kaliyev, Robertson.

 

[samsagat]

Habs are not expecting any of that.
We are expecting a good shutdown 3C that can chip in 30-40pts and shutdown the opposing top line.

He is not u touchable, but we ain't trading that type of young player just to move up to #2. We'd trade guys that are surplus like Harris - Struble - Mesar - Farrell etc...

Habs fan here.

Sorry, but those players you're offering have little value.

You don't attract flies with vinegar...

 

[Sacha BOXviert]

Why would we trade up when it's known the blackhawks have been heavily scouting Lev, a defenseman and the (somewhat) consensus #2 player and we want one of the 2 forwards who could both be there at 5 already? We'd essentially just need one of ANA or CBJ to take a D and we'd be good.

If we we're looking at a #2 consensus centre/winger i'd be willing to offer more but given the current situation there is no need to go big.

I don't care what Kent Hughes is going to do, I speak for Chicago. The only ones who can choose the player they want from several options are us.

 

[Sacha BOXviert]

He won't produce much but maybe he can be a danault / lundell type of player and that would be huge for our rebuild especially come playoff time.

I also like kapanen for that role but beck sounds like the perfect 3c 2 way player

The Montreal player who comes closest to Danault type is Joshua Roy. Beck doesn't have that ability and will be a bottom six.

 

[samsagat]

Go ahead and have some fun on hockeydb, went back to like 2013, the only comparable I could find as a 2nd round pick from the OHL that had an NHL career with similar OHL production to Beck is Tyler Bertuzzi. Otherwise you're looking at 1.8-2PPG, 100-120pts in their draft +2 to have a shot at an NHL career, guys like Kyrou, Debrincat, Evangelista, Kaliyev, Robertson.

Then 2009 is the draft to consider, Beck is in the O'Reilly's mold.

Maybe a little less gifted in the offensive department.

Beck is your typical north south, powerful center. He goes straight to the point. Not much fantasy or creativity, but direct, effective and smart plays are his bread and butter.

Plus he's good at shutting down opposing best players.

 

[Captain Mountain]

FWIW, Demidov may not even be Montreal's preferred forward at 5th OA, so I don't see them being all that interested in trading up to 2nd at all, nevermind the cost (and there's little chance Montreal would move Beck atm).

I get why Chicago wouldn't do this, but it feels like there's an implied rigidity to the draft after Celebrini that doesn't really line up with any reporting.