Prospect Info: Charlie Stramel, C, 21st Overall, 2023 NHL Draft

[57special]

Still view this as who else should they have picked? Perreault was the only guy left on the board that really interested me. If he ends up being big and Stramel flops then I'm happy to criticize the pick. Until that happens I'll wait to see how things develop beyond the first 2 weeks of the season.

Well, i was pretty vocal about wanting a C with the first pick, so Perreault, Musty, Gauthier, Cristall, Gulyayev were out, even though i think that they would've been better picks.

I would've liked them to pick Stenberg, Heidt, and Ritchie for sure over him. Probably Edstrom, Sawchyn, Wahlberg, and Brindley. Molgaard, too, i think? Almost all of the players mentioned above have had a better start to the season stats wise than to Stramel... Ritchie is injured, i think? And some are playing in the SHL which is a better league than the NCAA.

I hope i am proved wrong, but it seems that they picked Stramel because he is big and strong, not because he is a good hockey player. We'll see how that works out.

I'm not too worked up about it, because if i am honest, i would've been fine with the draft if you had simply reversed Heidt and Stramel, though i preferred Ritchie because of his size. When the draft was made, i was still thinking that Rossi was doomed to be a tweener due to his lack of size and strength, and was wishing for a bigger player, though Heidt is a good two inches taller than Rossi, and plays a scrappy game.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

All that post above is very good. What I don't like about the pick is it is a high-floor, low-ceiling pick like damn near every pick this franchise has made in the first round forever. And it has led to the Wild being a high-floor, low-ceiling franchise. If that's the only goal... what are we here for?

And for those saying it's a few games... it's not. This is his second season of college hockey. College hockey is a much better indicator of a player's future than CHL or Euro Juniors.

Apparently his team is fine without him. GO BADGERS

 

[57special]

All that post above is very good. What I don't like about the pick is it is a high-floor, low-ceiling pick like damn near every pick this franchise has made in the first round forever. And it has led to the Wild being a high-floor, low-ceiling franchise. If that's the only goal... what are we here for?

And for those saying it's a few games... it's not. This is his second season of college hockey. College hockey is a much better indicator of a player's future than CHL or Euro Juniors.

Apparently his team is fine without him. GO BADGERS

Brindley would've been a high ceiling, high risk pick. The guy looked brilliant last year, and is again this year, and playing in the same league as Stramel. Tiny, but man is he fast and skilled. Also pretty strong on his skates.

I mean, what he showed last year v. Stramel... well, it's not even close.

 

[BagHead]

Well, i was pretty vocal about wanting a C with the first pick, so Perreault, Musty, Gauthier, Cristall, Gulyayev were out, even though i think that they would've been better picks.

I would've liked them to pick Stenberg, Heidt, and Ritchie for sure over him. Probably Edstrom, Sawchyn, Wahlberg, and Brindley. Molgaard, too, i think? Almost all of the players mentioned above have had a better start to the season stats wise than to Stramel... Ritchie is injured, i think? And some are playing in the SHL which is a better league than the NCAA.

I hope i am proved wrong, but it seems that they picked Stramel because he is big and strong, not because he is a good hockey player. We'll see how that works out.

I'm not too worked up about it, because if i am honest, i would've been fine with the draft if you had simply reversed Heidt and Stramel, though i preferred Ritchie because of his size. When the draft was made, i was still thinking that Rossi was doomed to be a tweener due to his lack of size and strength, and was wishing for a bigger player, though Heidt is a good two inches taller than Rossi, and plays a scrappy game.

Bravo. I wanted Edstrom and Wahlberg ahead of Stramel as well. Especially Edstrom, who I was a little vocal about. I'm cheering for Stramel, but I have my doubts. The last big center the Wild picked in the 1st round who was all tools and no results was Colton Gillies. This feels a lot like that.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

All that post above is very good. What I don't like about the pick is it is a high-floor, low-ceiling pick like damn near every pick this franchise has made in the first round forever. And it has led to the Wild being a high-floor, low-ceiling franchise. If that's the only goal... what are we here for?

And for those saying it's a few games... it's not. This is his second season of college hockey. College hockey is a much better indicator of a player's future than CHL or Euro Juniors.

Apparently his team is fine without him. GO BADGERS

Why do you say he is low ceiling? His combine results show he has some of the best genetic conditioning traits in that draft to go with a pretty solid physical package already. He is committed to hockey as shown by him leaving home for USNTDP as a teenager. He is an intelligent and well spoken interview, and likely a good student since he chose UW over UM. Coaches love him, he’s played important roles on international teams.

Power forwards usually have huge ceilings, it’s a question of how close they can get to it.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I've caught some of the highlights...or lack there of Stramel. I know of his four on four goal where he did a good job of getting two of the players to collapse in on him before dishing the puck to his teammate, though have no frickin idea why he then decided to lazily skate toward the point when his teammates were attacking. Guess he was worried if they gave up a rebound he didn't want to get caught?

So you haven’t watched Stramel this year, but want to call him a bust based on a 4 game stat line and lack of highlights for those 4 games.

From what I’ve seen, if he corrects his positioning and asserts himself a little more, he will be just fine. It’s not like he hasn’t had chances to put up points. He’s had a couple grade A’s in front of the net, a mini breakaway that was saved, and several nice setups where the player misses the net. 0 points is just bad luck so far.

 

[BagHead]

So you haven’t watched Stramel this year, but want to call him a bust based on a 4 game stat line and lack of highlights for those 4 games.

From what I’ve seen, if he corrects his positioning and asserts himself a little more, he will be just fine. It’s not like he hasn’t had chances to put up points. He’s had a couple grade A’s in front of the net, a mini breakaway that was saved, and several nice setups where the player misses the net. 0 points is just bad luck so far.

His being injured right now is a real shame. I'd love to see him break out of that streak and prove the haters wrong. Heck, I'm not even a hater and he'd prove me wrong, and I'd love it. Please keep us up to date on him this year, I can't watch Badgers games, both physically and emotionally.

 

[thestonedkoala]

So you haven’t watched Stramel this year, but want to call him a bust based on a 4 game stat line and lack of highlights for those 4 games.

From what I’ve seen, if he corrects his positioning and asserts himself a little more, he will be just fine. It’s not like he hasn’t had chances to put up points. He’s had a couple grade A’s in front of the net, a mini breakaway that was saved, and several nice setups where the player misses the net. 0 points is just bad luck so far.

You can hand wave the stats away but they are just as important as anything else.

And it's not the four games, it's the continuation of last season into this season that has me concerned. New coaching...yeah it might not fix everything, but also weren't you the ones harping on how bad the coaching was and that should fix some of the issues?

The bad luck doesn't account for the lack of goals in the u-20 or the fact that they have him what? On the third line?

Also you still haven't told me why you think he's comparable to Ek...

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt for last season since he was in a tough spot being too old for the NTDP, and Wisconsin not being a good team. Not giving up on him or anything, but it's hard to be too optimistic at this point in time, granted that "this point in time" is extremely limited.

 

[Digitalbooya]

You can hand wave the stats away but they are just as important as anything else.

And it's not the four games, it's the continuation of last season into this season that has me concerned. New coaching...yeah it might not fix everything, but also weren't you the ones harping on how bad the coaching was and that should fix some of the issues?

The bad luck doesn't account for the lack of goals in the u-20 or the fact that they have him what? On the third line?

Also you still haven't told me why you think he's comparable to Ek...

Hastings has Wisconsin at 6-1-0 to start the year. Best start for Wisconsin in over 20 years. Just beat the #1 (for now) ranked Minnesota Gophers. I believe in his ability to coach up players. I believe in his ability to get Stramel on track. I think there’s a disconnect here that him being a better player will just happen at the snap of a finger. That’s not always the case.

He’s on the third line, yes. He’s also behind a 24 year old and a 21 year who were major contributors at Minnesota State and have a matured game that comes with age. Stramel is 18. Pump the brakes a bit that he’s not playing over those guys.

He’s comparable to Ek because:

1. He’s a big body
2. He’s going to score most of his goals from within 5 or so feet of the net
3. Defensively responsible

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Why do you say he is low ceiling? His combine results show he has some of the best genetic conditioning traits in that draft to go with a pretty solid physical package already. He is committed to hockey as shown by him leaving home for USNTDP as a teenager. He is an intelligent and well spoken interview, and likely a good student since he chose UW over UM. Coaches love him, he’s played important roles on international teams.

Power forwards usually have huge ceilings, it’s a question of how close they can get to it.

Yup, he could absolutely take a huge step forward -- even over the next two seasons. I mean, I hope no one thinks I'm calling him a bust. It was just an off the board pick but as others have pointed out, if you get an NHL player in the range, that's good.

 

[Circulartheory]

I won't respond directly because its more of a general note of my own pov... I use the term "bust" as a term of a failed development cycle ... a player who went through the system and came out a non-NHLer. So IMO, Stramel is 4 games, 1 month into a 2-3 year development.

4 games is essentially 1.7% through his development (projected 64 more NCAA games, 120 AHL games, 50 NHL games. That barely gives any directional suggestions, down or up.

Also consider the context that IMO, Stramel is considered a raw prospect compared to others in his draft range. So I will wait until I see a full NCAA season and one prospect camp before worrying.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Hastings said that Charlie went through practice as normal and they are making sure he's good to go for this weekend.

 

[GordieGallant]

I won't respond directly because its more of a general note of my own pov... I use the term "bust" as a term of a failed development cycle ... a player who went through the system and came out a non-NHLer. So IMO, Stramel is 4 games, 1 month into a 2-3 year development.

4 games is essentially 1.7% through his development (projected 64 more NCAA games, 120 AHL games, 50 NHL games. That barely gives any directional suggestions, down or up.

Also consider the context that IMO, Stramel is considered a raw prospect compared to others in his draft range. So I will wait until I see a full NCAA season and one prospect camp before worrying.

Thanks for pointing out the 1.7 percent thing. Much like Faber the scouts see a bit more than the posters here.

 

[Circulartheory]

Thanks for pointing out the 1.7 percent thing. Much like Faber the scouts see a bit more than the posters here.

I mean just to clarify, there's nothing wrong fans to voice out displeasure/excitement early in the process, this is a fan message board after all.

And it kind of asinine for me to tell ppl who are upset to wait 4 years or "their argument isn't valid".

But for me, I want to see an upward trajectory in their development. And if you plot 4 games on a graph, it would literally just look like a dot. You play more games than Stramel over a weekend of a beer hockey tournament where ppl have jobs to go to.

 

[Digitalbooya]

First game back from injury. He played with Bantle and Whitelaw tonight. He was 4 of 8 in the faceoff dot. I believe he had one shot trickle through the goaltender and roll past the post, but it could have been another player as well (the play happened really fast). Other than that, nothing really to comment on. Wasn’t on either power play unit.

Wisconsin came from behind 4-2 to beat #4 Michigan 5-4. That was the most exciting game I’ve seen at the Kohl Center in probably over a decade. I get to do the same tomorrow. Hopefully, with a Stramel goal to talk about.

 

[57special]

First game back from injury. He played with Bantle and Whitelaw tonight. He was 4 of 8 in the faceoff dot. I believe he had one shot trickle through the goaltender and roll past the post, but it could have been another player as well (the play happened really fast). Other than that, nothing really to comment on. Wasn’t on either power play unit.

Wisconsin came from behind 4-2 to beat #4 Michigan 5-4. That was the most exciting game I’ve seen at the Kohl Center in probably over a decade. I get to do the same tomorrow. Hopefully, with a Stramel goal to talk about.

sounds like quite a change down there in Madison.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

It's been quite a journey from a legendary good guy like Jeff Sauer through Eaves and Granato to Hastings, who has the boys playing great.

No idea if Granato is a bad guy or anything, but the AD could have gotten to "enough is enough" a little sooner.

 

[Digitalbooya]

It's been quite a journey from a legendary good guy like Jeff Sauer through Eaves and Granato to Hastings, who has the boys playing great.

No idea if Granato is a bad guy or anything, but the AD could have gotten to "enough is enough" a little sooner.

All accounts I've heard are Tony is a great guy. He just isn't that good of a coach. He might be a really good recruiting associate head coach if he were to ever consider that position. He never had any problems pulling the top recruits.

Chris McIntosh has only been the AD at Wisconsin for just over two years. I assume year 1 was "let's see what we have" and year 2 was "enough is enough." He definitely dug into the pocketbooks letting the football and hockey coach go. Glad that he did.

Now, if Stramel could score a stinkin' goal already that would be great!

sounds like quite a change down there in Madison.

It's night and day. Really crazy how quickly a dormant fanbase can be awoken with a winning team.

 

[Digitalbooya]

 

[Digitalbooya]

His skating looks much better than a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Sweetnut]

His skating looks much better than a couple of weeks ago.

That´s nice. But does he play hard?

 

[Digitalbooya]

That´s nice. But does he play hard?

It didn't show up on the score sheet, but I thought he was starting to press the offense. I can't recall many sequences with him on the ice where the puck was in the defensive zone. I'd like to see him start shooting more.

 

[Digitalbooya]

 

[Digitalbooya]

On the ice for Michigan State's first goal