Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[chizzler]

McAvoy hasn't been the same since his shoulder surgery.

This. I’ve been in this street since. He’s like Krug with his shoulder. It changes they’re game. Krug lost that slapshot and MacAvoy doesn’t hit shoulder to shoulder anymore. It most definitely has affected him. He’s also trying to do too much. I think the team and him should decide what he’s going to be going forward. Is it a solid all around defenseman or an offensive defenseman? I think they need to take him off the PP. It’s not is forte. He telegraphs passes too much. Lohrei need to take that roll or a forward.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

This. I’ve been in this street since. He’s like Krug with his shoulder. It changes they’re game. Krug lost that slapshot and MacAvoy doesn’t hit shoulder to shoulder anymore. It most definitely has affected him. He’s also trying to do too much. I think the team and him should decide what he’s going to be going forward. Is it a solid all around defenseman or an offensive defenseman? I think they need to take him off the PP. It’s not is forte. He telegraphs passes too much. Lohrei need to take that roll or a forward.

He is paid $9M+ to play on PP1 as part of his gig. Add in no Bergeron to elevate him
defensively the last two years, he plays like a $7M dman. Right now, put McAvoy on NYR, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, and Detroit I would slot him as the 2RD. On TB, Nashville, Florida and Winnipeg he is the #2D overall. He was outplayed two years in a row by Brandon Montour when he was in Florida.

On Dallas and Vegas he is playing as the #3 D behind Harley and Theodore. That is pretty much where his game is now league wide. Clearly not top 5-6 and trending at
Werenski, Sergachev and Hamilton level league wide.

Not saying I would trade him even up for say Hamilton or AP but that's where he is at
NHL wide.

 

[Greek_physique]

He is paid $9M+ to play on PP1 as part of his gig. Add in no Bergeron to elevate him
defensively the last two years, he plays like a $7M dman. Right now, put McAvoy on NYR, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, and Detroit I would slot him as the 2RD. On TB, Nashville, Florida and Winnipeg he is the #2D overall. He was outplayed two years in a row by Brandon Montour when he was in Florida.

On Dallas and Vegas he is playing as the #3 D behind Harley and Theodore. That is pretty much where his game is now league wide. Clearly not top 5-6 and trending at
Werenski, Sergachev and Hamilton level league wide.

Not saying I would trade him even up for say Hamilton or AP but that's where he is at
NHL wide.

So based on your logic, he's arguably a top 5-10 dman in the NHL, which IMO, he's always been.

I personally ain't worried about his struggles as our entire team is a mess + he's playing with a turnover machine in Lohrei.

He's way too talented to not figure this out, especially with all the changes we've seen this offseason.

IMO, with the exception of Makar and Hedman, if you put McAvoy on any of those other teams, he'd have a lot more support to be a top 5 dman. Seider hasn't been that much better than him and Serg, Werenski etc don't have the overall game that McAvoy has.

Keep calm and move on

 

[goldenblack]

So based on your logic, he's arguably a top 5-10 dman in the NHL, which IMO, he's always been.

He was. Sort on D-men on NHL.com going back to 22-23. So pretty decent sample size.

Suddenly he looks like #20 to me, my most metrics. Now personally, I think #20 can make the money he makes. And will as the cap climbs. So he's probably going to play right at his deal. At a time, it looked like value.

 

[hrdpuk]

All the D were struggling under JM's system this year . JM was not good at matching his system to the roster.
Sacco is righting the ship
Mac will be fine

 

[KillerMillerTime]

So based on your logic, he's arguably a top 5-10 dman in the NHL, which IMO, he's always been.

I personally ain't worried about his struggles as our entire team is a mess + he's playing with a turnover machine in Lohrei.

He's way too talented to not figure this out, especially with all the changes we've seen this offseason.

IMO, with the exception of Makar and Hedman, if you put McAvoy on any of those other teams, he'd have a lot more support to be a top 5 dman. Seider hasn't been that much better than him and Serg, Werenski etc don't have the overall game that McAvoy has.

Keep calm and move on

I didn't mention Brock Faber or Dahlen who right now he isn't playing as a well as. I
put him 13-17, not 5-10.

Makar
Fox
Heiskanen
Seider
Hedman
Josi
AP
Morrissey
Forsling
Faber
Dahlen
Theodore
Harley

I watch a boatload of hockey and the above are more impactful than McAvoy this year.
Than you have Dobson, Hamilton, Sergachev and Werenski at McAvoy level this year. Also Doughty has been hurt all year, so good chance another guy that is at his level. Guy is trending down the list of top 15 dmen and may fall out of top half of top 30.

 

[chizzler]

I didn't mention Brock Faber or Dahlen who right now he isn't playing as a well as. I
put him 13-17, not 5-10.

Makar
Fox
Heiskanen
Seider
Hedman
Josi
AP
Morrissey
Forsling
Faber
Dahlen
Theodore
Harley

I watch a boatload of hockey and the above are more impactful than McAvoy this year.
Than you have Dobson, Hamilton, Sergachev and Werenski at McAvoy level this year. Also Doughty has been hurt all year, so good chance another guy that is at his level. Guy is trending down the list of top 15 dmen and may fall out of top half of top 30.

He’s trending down due to his team sucking. That’s how it works. All those guys would suck on shitty teams. Is Dahlen that good? Buffalo sucks.

 

[DominicT]

I didn't mention Brock Faber or Dahlen who right now he isn't playing as a well as. I
put him 13-17, not 5-10.

Makar
Fox
Heiskanen
Seider
Hedman
Josi
AP
Morrissey
Forsling
Faber
Dahlen
Theodore
Harley

I watch a boatload of hockey and the above are more impactful than McAvoy this year.
Than you have Dobson, Hamilton, Sergachev and Werenski at McAvoy level this year. Also Doughty has been hurt all year, so good chance another guy that is at his level. Guy is trending down the list of top 15 dmen and may fall out of top half of top 30.

Where is Hughes?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

He’s trending down due to his team sucking. That’s how it works. All those guys would suck on shitty teams. Is Dahlen that good? Buffalo sucks.

He was on a record setting 135 point team and got outplayed by Forsling & Montour in the 2023 PO and was brutal in G7. I would move him for Faber for certain and this is after Faber signs his next contract, which will be $8M. Minnesota sure as hell won't do it.

Where is Hughes?

Yup, Q. Hughes also.
Point is McAvoy doesn't have some inalienable right to a top 10 position because he has been a couple of times. Lots of really good D-Men in the NHL.