Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[Over the volcano]

I like McAvoy, but $9.5m should not be in the "I think we're gonna see" tier. There should be little to no risk with your biggest contracts, especially immediately after they sign them.

Montour just dominated the Bruins while covering for one of the slowest defenses in the league. For $3.5m - a Forbort contract.

Montour is making 5+ this year in real $ and just doubled his career best in pts. No one predicted this kind of season for him. Hell, McAvoy had more points this season than Montour did in the three years combined before he signed this deal he's on.

Will be interesting to see his next deal this summer though

 

[BruinDust]

Keepers:
McAvoy
Pastrnak
Swayman

Anyone else.. let’s make a deal

Just as well put Zacha in there as there is zero chance they trade him having just signed a 4-year extension.

Montour has 6 goals in his last 7 games.

I'll say it's a safe bet he never duplicates that the rest of his career.

 

[EverettMike]

Six full seasons now and he's only 25 and under contract for a long time.

Seems like the kind of player you would want to keep.

You'd think! He's still 12 years away from us needing to trade him to a good organization so he can win a Cup!

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You'd think! He's still 12 years away from us needing to trade him to a good organization so he can win a Cup!

Nice one!

 

[BlackFrancis]

This pendulum swing is utterly insane to me.

I don’t think he is in a “I think we’re gonna see” tier- prior to this season we all wanted him locked up long term and his game was progressing nicely. He had zero off season due to injury and look at Marchand who went thru a similar situation- lowest point total since whenever. And Marchand is/was an established top winger. I don’t think we’re giving mcavoy free money for not being super offensively elite this year and not having a great series when almost no one else did. We are the best team in the league and we lost. the collapse was widespread.

I just can’t rush to judge when his track record is this outstanding and the blip is not that big and the chance he is top 3 next year is so high. Can’t get me to freak out. Not to mention it’s 9.5. That’s gonna be so cheap in like 18-24 months for his value.

Edit- as to the montour $$- we were 58 seconds from winning the round with our best defenseman being Carlo at like 4.5 for his whole prime so what’s the difference - different players cost different money and provide value at different times and levels

I think we all want him to succeed, and we're all hoping he becomes a major driver for the team when it comes to playoff success.

You shouldn't look at this as a rush to judgement - more just playing Devil's advocate. One of my first thoughts after game 7 was about Lindholm and how out of it he looked. After thinking it over, I said, "Well, at least he wasn't as big a disaster as McAvoy." And that's left me thinking. Hampus is a smidge over half McAvoy's money. Clifton carpet bombed game 6 for $1m.

Failure shouldn't be expensive to acquire. Or all that difficult.

Iyla Samsonov just outplayed Andrei Vasilevskiy in the Leafs/Lightning series.

Playoffs are different, more pressure for sure. But one series is still a small sample size.

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Very small sample, agreed.

But we did just witness what 12.5% of McAvoy's contract bought the Boston Bruins so far.

 

[Number8]

I think those having a go at Charlie McAvoy - in the big picture - are off base.

The list of disappointments in the series against the Panthers is long. Really long. And it does include some of Charlie's play. Join the club.

That said, 31 GM's would snatch him off our hands in a nanosecond and not bat an eye about his contract. Only one's that wouldn't offer real value would be one's that don't have cap room.

 

[BruinDust]

I think those having a go at Charlie McAvoy - in the big picture - are off base.

The list of disappointments in the series against the Panthers is long. Really long.

31 GM's would snatch him off our hands in a nanosecond and not bat an eye about his contract. Only one's that wouldn't offer real value would be one's that don't have cap room.

The performance of the D overall, to me, is the most shocking and disturbing part of the lose to Florida. When I try to decide what was the main reason they lost, it's the performance of the D-corp defensively. It was shockingly bad.

 

[Over the volcano]

The performance of the D overall, to me, is the most shocking and disturbing part of the lose to Florida. When I try to decide what was the main reason they lost, it's the performance of the D-corp defensively. It was shockingly bad.

Looked like those first couple of games this year under Montgomery.

 

[BruinDust]

Looked like those first couple of games this year under Montgomery.

Makes you wonder did they try to make a strategic change to counter Florida and the D-men were just overthinking everything and not playing on instinct. The drop-off in performance was very unexpected and somewhat bizarre.

 

[Number8]

The performance of the D overall, to me, is the most shocking and disturbing part of the lose to Florida. When I try to decide what was the main reason they lost, it's the performance of the D-corp defensively. It was shockingly bad.

Oh, absolutely. It was just extraordinary how much difficulty we had with the forecheck.

PP was lights out, and we scored 24 goals over a 7 game series.

RS: 3.7 GF and 2.15 GA.
PO: 3.85 GF and 3.71 GA.

Three of these numbers are excellent. One of these numbers is an epic epic fail.

Complete and utter breakdown in our D zone and, in my book, some poorly thought out evaluations of how to play our goalies given the obvious issue that Ullmark was not 100%. Maybe he was 95%, maybe 80%, maybe 60%. I don't know.

 

[BruinDust]

Oh, absolutely. It was just extraordinary how much difficulty we had with the forecheck.

PP was lights out, and we scored 24 goals over a 7 game series.

RS: 3.7 GF and 2.15 GA.
PO: 3.85 GF and 3.71 GA.

Three of these numbers are excellent. One of these numbers is an epic epic fail.

Complete and utter breakdown in our D zone and, in my book, some poorly thought out evaluations of how to play our goalies given the obvious issue that Ullmark was not 100%. Maybe he was 95%, maybe 80%, maybe 60%. I don't know.

The D-corps performance was No.1 for me, the mis-management of the goaltenders was a clear No. 2.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

The performance of the D overall, to me, is the most shocking and disturbing part of the lose to Florida. When I try to decide what was the main reason they lost, it's the performance of the D-corp defensively. It was shockingly bad.

its called choking and not being able to handle the pressure. The D and goaltending let them down.
they folded like a cheap tent. especially mcavoy and lindholm who were rock solid most of the season.

 

[Therick67]

Makes you wonder did they try to make a strategic change to counter Florida and the D-men were just overthinking everything and not playing on instinct. The drop-off in performance was very unexpected and somewhat bizarre.

Maybe they should have practiced at some point, when it was obvious they were having issues..

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Maybe they should have practiced at some point, when it was obvious they were having issues..

How to respond to an aggressive physical forecheck you would think would be kind of a given wouldn’t you,especially with an experienced defensive core.Don’t get rattled box out the front of the net,and don’t make stupid boneheaded passes in own end for a start.

 

[Therick67]

How to respond to an aggressive physical forecheck you would think would be kind of a given wouldn’t you,especially with an experienced defensive core.Don’t get rattled box out the front of the net,and don’t make stupid boneheaded passes in own end for a start.

You would, but they clearly had issues going back to the regular season with the Panthers.

I know they have meetings, do video, etc...but if you aren't doing something well, not practicing it isn't going to help fix it. This is way down my list of bitches about what went wrong, but however they chose to fix it - didn't work.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

You would, but they clearly had issues going back to the regular season with the Panthers.

I know they have meetings, do video, etc...but if you aren't doing something well, not practicing it isn't going to help fix it. This is way down my list of bitches about what went wrong, but however they chose to fix it - didn't work.

There defensive play was their biggest downfall,have never seen anything like it .

 

[elMatador]

Do you even think about what you just wrote? You really wrote that after a sample of one game you came to the conclusion that McAvoy is overpaid.

Absolutely nuts to think that to some people one game or even one series can override the prior 380 regular season and 71 playoff games.

20-21 playoffs 1g 11a 12p in 11 games with the cap hit $4.9m, B's won against Capitals, lost to Islanders
21-22 playoffs 0g 5a 5p in 6 games with the cap hit $4.9m, B's lost to Hurricanes
22-23 playoffs 0g 5a 5p in 7 games with the cap hit $9.5m, B's lost to Panthers

Out of 4 playoff series with him as the top dog 1D the team won 1 series and lost 3 series.
Team got the same result as last year while he cost $4.6m more.

 

[NDiesel]

20-21 playoffs 1g 11a 12p in 11 games with the cap hit $4.9m, B's won against Capitals, lost to Islanders
21-22 playoffs 0g 5a 5p in 6 games with the cap hit $4.9m, B's lost to Hurricanes
22-23 playoffs 0g 5a 5p in 7 games with the cap hit $9.5m, B's lost to Panthers

Out of 4 playoff series with him as the top dog 1D the team won 1 series and lost 3 series.
Team got the same result as last year while he cost $4.6m more.

You really just posted three playoff runs where he was nearly a point per game, improving from his regular season ppg, to show that he doesn't step up and isn't worth the money.....I am speechless, I dont even have a response to that...

 

[PB37]

Bruins transition game from the D was hampered by a relentless forecheck. We've heard this story before and I think the blueprint is out on how to crack a Boston defensive scheme that is among the best in the league, but can get exposed along the boards and with a two man forecheck with the speed to close quickly on the puck retriever and the outlet guy.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Bruins transition game from the D was hampered by a relentless forecheck. We've heard this story before and I think the blueprint is out on how to crack a Boston defensive scheme that is among the best in the league, but can get exposed along the boards and with a two man forecheck with the speed to close quickly on the puck retriever and the outlet guy.

So, was it illegal to do that during the regular season?

 

[BruinDust]

Bruins transition game from the D was hampered by a relentless forecheck. We've heard this story before and I think the blueprint is out on how to crack a Boston defensive scheme that is among the best in the league, but can get exposed along the boards and with a two man forecheck with the speed to close quickly on the puck retriever and the outlet guy.

I'm really interested in seeing how far Florida and Seattle go (NJ too). These teams that play fast with a heavy forecheck.

Can you play that way for 4 rounds of the playoffs? Or is it a case where Rounds 1 and 2 favor teams who play this way, but over the long haul, a slower more methodical team like Boston would have a better chance of winning a cup, provided they can get out of Round 1 and 2.

When Seattle came to Boston earlier the year, they did the exact same thing to the Bruins. Relentless pressure and the Bruins had no answer.

Once upon a time, you would fear that slow grinding methodical defensive team in the playoffs in the early rounds for upsets. Maybe things have shifted in the complete opposite direction. I don't know the answer but I'm interested to see how this playoff year ultimately plays our because of it.

 

[elMatador]

My 2 posts back in the offseason 2021:

• Aug 16, 2021

As you showed:

Grzelcyk -- McAvoy
Reilly -- Carlo
Forbort -- Clifton
Moore -- Zboril

I see on D:

junk -- McAvoy
fairly new junk -- Carlo
fresh new junk -- Clifton
old junk -- wasted pick

and

• Aug 16, 2021

It's not that bad come on. I actually think zboril and vaak surprise big time.

McAvoy must be licking his chops. That D will increase his asking price by $2-2.5mil on his next contract if he wants to get paid only or he will ask to be traded if he wants to win the cup and sees no future here. Having a revolving door of a D partner as Krejci had on his wings since Lucic/Horton days? McAvoy says "F**k no, I am off".

I admit, I was very wrong about one player. I was too generous about Clifton.

 

[BMC]

One thing I definitely noticed about McAvoy throughout the season as well as the playoffs was the huge drop off in physical play on his part. I didn't expect much hitting from him at the beginning of the season because he was coming off shoulder surgery but he never picked up the pace. He was not the Mack Truck of earlier seasons & in Games 6 and 7 vs Florida he did.not.record.one.single.hit. I'd love to know what was going on with him especially since he absolutely flattened one of the Panthers early in Game 4 that set the tone for the rest of the game.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

My 2 posts back in the offseason 2021:

• Aug 16, 2021

I see on D:

junk -- McAvoy
fairly new junk -- Carlo
fresh new junk -- Clifton
old junk -- wasted pick

and

• Aug 16, 2021

McAvoy must be licking his chops. That D will increase his asking price by $2-2.5mil on his next contract if he wants to get paid only or he will ask to be traded if he wants to win the cup and sees no future here. Having a revolving door of a D partner as Krejci had on his wings since Lucic/Horton days? McAvoy says "F**k no, I am off".

I admit, I was very wrong about one player. I was too generous about Clifton.

The NHL’s top dmen regularly have different partners year over year. Top Dmen can cover the mistakes of lesser or younger guys and still perform. McAvoy will get there.

 

[gerrycheeversmask]

McAvoy needs to work on his shot in the offseason.