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Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

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He wasn’t good but he was still like our second or third best defenseman in the series. That’s how bad our defense was that series. Charlie was garbage. Orlov was good offensively, bad defensively. Carlo was our best defenseman. Lindholm was just there I guess, provided absolutely nothing. Gryz was classic playoff Gryz. Clifton was the absolute worst. And Forbort was a liability.

If mcAvoy from game 3 and 4 showed up in 5,6 or 7 that series was over
 
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BMC said:
Before I dump on Charlie I want to know why he played so badly in Games 6 & 7.

I suspect a problem with the shoulder that was operated on- throughout the regular season he routinely passed up a lot of chances to bury opponents that he almost always took in previous seasons.
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Is there then danger that he is going to be our Chychrun? I know that Chychrun has injuries all over his body but what about Charlie?
 
He played a bad game or two, but I wouldn't trade Charlie McAvoy. He's currently a top-ten defencemen in the NHL, not sure if he is top-five.
 
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SonnyBoy said:
I still like McAvoy a lot but I want him to do so much more. In defence zone I want him to just flatten people and take a puck away. He's not so skilled on O-zone so maybe concentrate more on playing D. Bruins needed that Offensive D weapon a'la Krug (but just not Krug of course). Montour already has 6 goals.
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If McAvoy had a shot he would be the best D in the game. He is still good enough to be the best D on a Cup winning team. Just didn’t play like it this time around. Bourque had bad playoff games too.
 
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missingchicklet said:
The internet and sports radio have been interesting the past few days. I've seen/heard people actually suggest trading McAvoy, Lindholm, and/or Carlo, yet are hoping that Orlov can be re-signed long-term. When was crack legalized? I feel like I am missing out.
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Yeah, public opinion is sour right now.

We have good players but they as a collective played poorly because of XYZ. They're still good players and the Bruins wouldn't have been in the position they were in if they sucked.

Everything hurts right now, but the plan for the future with McAvoy, Lindholm , and Carlo as the foundation on D is still strong. I think they need to tweak how they choose to structure their defensive end and get a couple of bigger bodies on the blueline who can skate and hit because hitting/grittyness counts in the playoffs. Trading away good players because you're upset over a loss is why fans would make horrible GM's.
 
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PB37 said:
Yeah, public opinion is sour right now.

We have good players but they as a collective played poorly because of XYZ. They're still good players and the Bruins wouldn't have been in the position they were in if they sucked.

Everything hurts right now, but the plan for the future with McAvoy, Lindholm , and Carlo as the foundation on D is still strong. I think they need to tweak how they choose to structure their defensive end and get a couple of bigger bodies on the blueline who can skate and hit because hitting/grittyness counts in the playoffs. Trading away good players because you're upset over a loss is why fans would make horrible GM's.
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I think I've heard this a few hundred thousand times over the last few years. I also think Sweeney did a marvelous job and I blame this solely on Monty, Sweeney gave him one hell of a lineup and Monty well, out coached himself. Still would of loved a luke Schenn on this team, I don't think Tkachuk and Bennet would of been able to walk all over the Bruins if he was wearing a spoked B.
 
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NDiesel said:
Sure I suppose he doesn't step up in the playoffs if you ignore every other post season except for this one.
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I've watched every one of McAvoy's 78 playoff games. Outside of a few games in his playoff career McAvoy has been an absolute warrior. Game 7 this year was his worst by far. Whole D corps seemed to fall apart for whatever reason this playoffs.

There are only a few NHL d-men I would take over him in the playoffs.
 
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missingchicklet said:
The internet and sports radio have been interesting the past few days. I've seen/heard people actually suggest trading McAvoy, Lindholm, and/or Carlo, yet are hoping that Orlov can be re-signed long-term. When was crack legalized? I feel like I am missing out.
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id take orlov over lindholm.
i really would.
lindholm was probably biggest disappointment tgese playoffs

mcavoy just needs to play meaner.
him and orlov absolutely have to come away with that puck on the tying goal faceoff. both muffed it.
tbey both had a crack at it before bennett and verhaghe got it back from them.
 
Baddkarma said:
I dont think McAvoy is an elite Dman worth 9.5m on this roster. I am not the only one. Thats all.

When he steps up and plays like a franchise Dman in the POSTSEASON it will be a great day!!!
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Ever since Krug's and Chara's departure McAvoy was given everything on a silver platter including PP1. There was no one better to take over.

Sweenye had a "fantastic" plan in 2021 offseason when he resigned Reilly & signed UFA Forbort. He simply caved in as few proven top 4 LD Martinez, Oleksiak, Ekholm got signed before FA even started.
Sweeney just loves to substitute quality with quantity and overpay for it.
We all know now how that ended up.
A lot of crap Dmen signed and no cap room for Bergeron and Krejci the most recently.

Of course, after 20-21 season was perfect timing for McAvoy to get a new contract as he looked like a king among those losers but Carlo.
After what we saw on Sunday it looks like a massive overpayment.

Sweeney has tried to correct his failures by trading away the top picks for Lindholm and Orlov however they both failed miserably to be a physical specimen.
 
Baddkarma said:
I dont think McAvoy is an elite Dman worth 9.5m on this roster. I am not the only one. Thats all.

When he steps up and plays like a franchise Dman in the POSTSEASON it will be a great day!!!
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I think he is but I’m sure many here will agree he isn’t

However after he laid out Huberdeau game 2 the same would say he is
 
finchster said:
He played a bad game or two, but I wouldn't trade Charlie McAvoy. He's currently a top-ten defencemen in the NHL, not sure if he is top-five.
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not to mention hes 25 and missed this entire offseason of work with surgery and recovery. i think we're gonna see a refreshed/retooled mcavoy next season and hes gonna lead our defense. hes been steadfast in the playoffs before and theres zero reason why that should change after a series when the entire team was outclassed. ..but sure lets put it on him and not (insert list of literally everyone but coyle, hall, sway, and carlo)

i think we see a huge offensive jump next season unless hes put on babysitting duties with lohrei - they should make carlo do that shit.
 
dangermike said:
not to mention hes 25 and missed this entire offseason of work with surgery and recovery. i think we're gonna see a refreshed/retooled mcavoy next season and hes gonna lead our defense. hes been steadfast in the playoffs before and theres zero reason why that should change after a series when the entire team was outclassed. ..but sure lets put it on him and not (insert list of literally everyone but coyle, hall, sway, and carlo)

i think we see a huge offensive jump next season unless hes put on babysitting duties with lohrei - they should make carlo do that shit.
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I like McAvoy, but $9.5m should not be in the "I think we're gonna see" tier. There should be little to no risk with your biggest contracts, especially immediately after they sign them.

Montour just dominated the Bruins while covering for one of the slowest defenses in the league. For $3.5m - a Forbort contract.
 
BlackFrancis said:
I like McAvoy, but $9.5m should not be in the "I think we're gonna see" tier. There should be little to no risk with your biggest contracts, especially immediately after they sign them.

Montour just dominated the Bruins while covering for one of the slowest defenses in the league. For $3.5m - a Forbort contract.
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Strike of a genius as they call him.
He got 2 guys, each for $3m, playing the odds if one will suck there is always one spare.
I guess nobody asked the genius what if both sucked. :laugh:
 
BlackFrancis said:
I like McAvoy, but $9.5m should not be in the "I think we're gonna see" tier. There should be little to no risk with your biggest contracts, especially immediately after they sign them.

Montour just dominated the Bruins while covering for one of the slowest defenses in the league. For $3.5m - a Forbort contract.
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This pendulum swing is utterly insane to me.

I don’t think he is in a “I think we’re gonna see” tier- prior to this season we all wanted him locked up long term and his game was progressing nicely. He had zero off season due to injury and look at Marchand who went thru a similar situation- lowest point total since whenever. And Marchand is/was an established top winger. I don’t think we’re giving mcavoy free money for not being super offensively elite this year and not having a great series when almost no one else did. We are the best team in the league and we lost. the collapse was widespread.

I just can’t rush to judge when his track record is this outstanding and the blip is not that big and the chance he is top 3 next year is so high. Can’t get me to freak out. Not to mention it’s 9.5. That’s gonna be so cheap in like 18-24 months for his value.

Edit- as to the montour $$- we were 58 seconds from winning the round with our best defenseman being Carlo at like 4.5 for his whole prime so what’s the difference - different players cost different money and provide value at different times and levels
 
BlackFrancis said:
I like McAvoy, but $9.5m should not be in the "I think we're gonna see" tier. There should be little to no risk with your biggest contracts, especially immediately after they sign them.

Montour just dominated the Bruins while covering for one of the slowest defenses in the league. For $3.5m - a Forbort contract.
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Iyla Samsonov just outplayed Andrei Vasilevskiy in the Leafs/Lightning series.

Playoffs are different, more pressure for sure. But one series is still a small sample size.

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elMatador said:
Ever since Krug's and Chara's departure McAvoy was given everything on a silver platter including PP1. There was no one better to take over.

Sweenye had a "fantastic" plan in 2021 offseason when he resigned Reilly & signed UFA Forbort. He simply caved in as few proven top 4 LD Martinez, Oleksiak, Ekholm got signed before FA even started.
Sweeney just loves to substitute quality with quantity and overpay for it.
We all know now how that ended up.
A lot of crap Dmen signed and no cap room for Bergeron and Krejci the most recently.

Of course, after 20-21 season was perfect timing for McAvoy to get a new contract as he looked like a king among those losers but Carlo.
After what we saw on Sunday it looks like a massive overpayment.

Sweeney has tried to correct his failures by trading away the top picks for Lindholm and Orlov however they both failed miserably to be a physical specimen.
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Do you even think about what you just wrote? You really wrote that after a sample of one game you came to the conclusion that McAvoy is overpaid.

Absolutely nuts to think that to some people one game or even one series can override the prior 380 regular season and 71 playoff games.
 
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