Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[PB37]

Again McAvoy plays with Bergeron, a superior defensive center to Tyler Seguin or Joe Pavelski. That's an enormous advantage for McAvoy and I am positive explains a substantial part of the defensive statistical difference along with Heiskanen being a year and a half younger. There is very little between these players, some have a bit better offense and some a bit better defense.

He does play with Bergeron, but it doesn't explain why McAvoy is so good at what he does or his relative numbers. You can have two great players out on the same time and it doesn't mean one carries the other. I think you're missing the boat on just how more dominant McAvoy is in his own end than a lot of his peers in his age bracket, Heiskanen included, who's not in the Fox/Makar tier. Fox won the Norris last year and Makar will most likely be one of the three finalists. McAvoy was 5th last year and will most likely be again. Heiskanen didn't even get a vote last year. Voters can be stupid but they're not THAT stupid to not even toss someone a pity vote if they felt he was good enough.

 

[wintersej]

Well every team plays the same number of homes\away games so you would think those things even out but appreciate the detail.

Its more that different home statisticians have wildly different ideas on what it what like this:

The league leaders in giveaways are none other than your Edmonton Oilers, who have been charged with a scandalous 972 such turnovers, nearly triple the 359 charged to the Blue Jackets. Not surprisingly, most of this discrepancy can be found on home ice, where trigger-happy statisticians have charged the Oil with 737 giveaways, compared to just 235 on the road.

Who your home statistician is has way more effect on your numbers than any reality.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

He does play with Bergeron, but it doesn't explain why McAvoy is so good at what he does or his relative numbers. You can have two great players out on the same time and it doesn't mean one carries the other. I think you're missing the boat on just how more dominant McAvoy is in his own end than a lot of his peers in his age bracket, Heiskanen included.

I have CI and I watch a ton of hockey including Dallas. Heiskanen
is just as good as McAvoy and hasn't had Rask and Bergeron to rely
on for all but one year of his career. You switch these players and you'll essentially see their stats flipped. We won't agree but I'll say if Bergeron retires next year, every d man's numbers are heading south from where they are now.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Its more that different home statisticians have wildly different ideas on what it what like this:



Who your home statistician is has way more effect on your numbers than any reality.

That's one team what does the rest show?

 

[wintersej]

That's one team what does the rest show?

That its all the f*** over the place

 

[KillerMillerTime]

That its all the f*** over the place.

Ha!

 

[The National]

Love the way Chuck picks up the physicality in the playoffs, awesome to watch.

 

[Patdud]

I hope he keeps hammering aho and Svevhnikov et. al in open ice for however long this series goes.

 

[Kegs]

Is he injured?

 

[DarrenBanks56]

Is he injured?

no

 

[Kegs]

no

Scratched for no reason? Seems strange

 

[Absurdity]

Scratched for no reason? Seems strange

Covid protocol

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

Is he, for certain, isolated for that full 5 days or whatever

 

[Baddkarma]

CM73 has the what? Sharona? Please no!!!!!!

 

[13Hockey]

Is he, for certain, isolated for that full 5 days or whatever

No one really knows

Wouldn’t surprise me if he tests out before the 5 days

 

[Smitty93]

Is he, for certain, isolated for that full 5 days or whatever

He only would have gotten a test if he had symptoms. Unless it changed before the playoffs, protocol is minimum 5 days isolation. At that point, if the player is asymptomatic, a negative test would let them leave isolation. That would mean that he's out a minimum Game 5 & 6, since Thursday would be Day 5, assuming yesterday was Day 1.

 

[PlayMakers]

This is so brutal. f*** you Covid!

 

[DarrenBanks56]

asterisk Stanley Cup yet another year

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

This is so brutal. f*** you Covid!

You can say that again!

 

[McGarnagle]

So what we do know is that Bruce has said that they somewhat expected him to go into the protocol that morning, which implies that symptoms would've arisen on Saturday at the latest, which starts the 5 day clock there, so he should be available for game 6 on Thursday. If he tests negative both today and tomorrow he could play tomorrow, but it doesn't seem like that's going to be possible if he was fine on Friday, sick for two days, then testing negative the following two days. It's not a 24-hour bug here.

I expect he'll miss tomorrow and be back Thursday, and hopefully whatever symptoms he's had aren't going to drag him down at all.

 

[bp14]

He only would have gotten a test if he had symptoms. Unless it changed before the playoffs, protocol is minimum 5 days isolation. At that point, if the player is asymptomatic, a negative test would let them leave isolation. That would mean that he's out a minimum Game 5 & 6, since Thursday would be Day 5, assuming yesterday was Day 1.

Do they have to test with symptoms, and are they being checked for symptoms? I’d bet anything no professional athlete worries about Covid, and no organization would ever encourage testing if it meant losing players due to positives. So does anyone know the actual process here that leads to him being tested?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Do they have to test with symptoms, and are they being checked for symptoms? I’d bet anything no professional athlete worries about Covid, and no organization would ever encourage testing if it meant losing players due to positives. So does anyone know the actual process here that leads to him being tested?

He was tested because he had symptoms.

asterisk Stanley Cup yet another year

You can find a reason to put an asterisk on any year if you really want to.

I understand maybe last year not being considered a “real Cup”, but an 82 game season in which shit happens doesn’t deserve any sort permanent mark outside of what is deserved every year.

 

[TD Charlie]

Back for round 2, ready to crush

 

[Gee Wally]

Just a heads up. Although posted literally dozens of times now.
If ‘you’ want to debate ‘your’ stance on Covid, vaccines, science, etc….this is NOT the place.

You will be removed.

Thanks.

 

[bp14]

He was tested because he had symptoms.



You can find a reason to put an asterisk on any year if you really want to.

I understand maybe last year not being considered a “real Cup”, but an 82 game season in which shit happens doesn’t deserve any sort permanent mark outside of what is deserved every year.

So just clarifying…a player has to a)willingly admit he has symptoms, and b) if a player says he has symptoms, the league/team has to test? And the league somehow enforces this?

I’m just trying to understand how this comes to light. Who polices this?