Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[PlayMakers]

I would still like to see Mac and Lindholm separated for a stretch.

I know they’re playing great together but the Perfection line played great together too. Sometimes balancing your lineup can be more impactful than one great line or D-pair. Pasta makes Hall better. Lindholm can make Carlo better.

Plus, everyone e talks about Lindholm freeing up McAvoy, but seeing Lindholm in OT the other day made me wonder what Lindholm would look like if he had Carlo to free him up.

It’s worth a look, at the very least. You can always go back to Lindholm-McAvoy to close out games.

 

[burstnbloom]

Asked Andy and Rono to compare Fox and McAvoy. The results.

 

[Patdud]

I would still like to see Mac and Lindholm separated for a stretch.

I know they’re playing great together but the Perfection line played great together too. Sometimes balancing your lineup can be more impactful than one great line or D-pair. Pasta makes Hall better. Lindholm can make Carlo better.

Plus, everyone e talks about Lindholm freeing up McAvoy, but seeing Lindholm in OT the other day made me wonder what Lindholm would look like if he had Carlo to free him up.

It’s worth a look, at the very least. You can always go back to Lindholm-McAvoy to close out games.

They are a great matchup option against say a team like toronto, allowing Bergy/Marchy/Gryz/Carlo to go against one of Matthews/Marner or Tavares/Nylander and say Coyle line with McAvoy and Lindholm against the other. Leaving the 2nd line to "hopefully" beat their match up or overload Bergy/Marchy/McAvoy/Lindholm if really needed.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Asked Andy and Rono to compare Fox and McAvoy. The results.

No knock on Charlie, but I can't get behind any ranking system that grades him higher offensively than Fox. Defensively or overall sure, but Fox is a decidedly better offensive player

 

[burstnbloom]

No knock on Charlie, but I can't get behind any ranking system that grades him higher offensively than Fox. Defensively or overall sure, but Fox is a decidedly better offensive player

Its a culmination of rankings. They are saying fox is better at scoring at ES, passing at even strength and scoring on the PP. the difference in the cumulative stats is the relative stats and deployment numbers favor Charlie heavily. He plays harder minutes against harder competition and gets better team results and the team's relative performance is juiced by his presence. They also think Charlie is much better at driving the offense whereas Fox facilitates the offense. A subtle, but meaningful difference.

I've said it many times before, these are pretty similar players. But when you break down the numbers, people prefer Fox almost exclusively because of his counting stats, which lack any context at all.

 

[wintersej]

No knock on Charlie, but I can't get behind any ranking system that grades him higher offensively than Fox. Defensively or overall sure, but Fox is a decidedly better offensive player

Fox is a better passer in the offensive zone, for sure. But that isn't all there is to offense.

 

[CDJ]

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

He clearly should be in the Norris race but since the league wont smarten up and create the Robert G. Orr Trophy, for the best offensive defenseman in the league, he’ll get lost in the shuffle.

 

[burstnbloom]

I think he will be top 5 again. There is a bit of a ground swell. Josi is going to get 100 points, though, and there is no way the sports writers don't reward that with a trophy. I'd have Josi 3rd behind Makar and Chuck.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I think he will be top 5 again. There is a bit of a ground swell. Josi is going to get 100 points, though, and there is no way the sports writers don't reward that with a trophy. I'd have Josi 3rd behind Makar and Chuck.

Looks like Josi will win his 2nd Norris in the last 3 seasons.

Could end up in top 10 scorers, a rarity for Dmen. But he's also carried that team into playoff position.

 

[The National]

Looks like Josi will win his 2nd Norris in the last 3 seasons.

Could end up in top 10 scorers, a rarity for Dmen. But he's also carried that team into playoff position.

I just went to look at their stats after reading your post because I thought Makar had it in the bag but good lord is Josi racking up the assists.

 

[burstnbloom]

Looks like Josi will win his 2nd Norris in the last 3 seasons.

Could end up in top 10 scorers, a rarity for Dmen. But he's also carried that team into playoff position.

Ya he's having an incredible offensive season, no doubt. My argument against him winning the Norris is just that his deployment is not particularly difficult and he's been very fortunate. They have an unsustainably high shooting % as a team with him on the ice this year at 5v5 and he's generally playing his competition to a draw, despite the opponents not being super challenging. point in his favor is that he's dragging Fabbro around (who isn't very good) and they have scored SO MANY goals with him on the ice you just cant deny his contribution. That said, I think Charlie has been significantly better and Makar better than both.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I just went to look at their stats after reading your post because I thought Makar had it in the bag but good lord is Josi racking up the assists.

Josi also has 19 goals so only Makar is ahead of him amongst defensemen.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Ya he's having an incredible offensive season, no doubt. My argument against him winning the Norris is just that his deployment is not particularly difficult and he's been very fortunate. They have an unsustainably high shooting % as a team with him on the ice this year at 5v5 and he's generally playing his competition to a draw, despite the opponents not being super challenging. point in his favor is that he's dragging Fabbro around (who isn't very good) and they have scored SO MANY goals with him on the ice you just cant deny his contribution. That said, I think Charlie has been significantly better and Makar better than both.

Can't see how a valid argument can be made for McAvoy being "significantly better" than a guy who has 11 more goals, 35 more points and a higher plus/minus rating.

 

[burstnbloom]

Can't see how a valid argument can be made for McAvoy being "significantly better" than a guy who has 11 more goals, 35 more points and a higher plus/minus rating.

Charlie plays harder competition, harder minutes and the Bruins do better against their competition when he's on the ice than Nashville does when Josi is on the ice despite the lesser competition. But we don't have to go back and forth yet again.

 

[Baddkarma]

I keep waiting for McAvoy to look a little bit, I mean just a little, like the great 77 Ray Bourque.

CM73 is built like him in terms of thick (thanks Chia) and powerful, horse of a skater, but man 77 could finish and right now McAvoy can't find the cage. The good news is he is getting some great looks in close.

Do you guys think he will develop into a more consistent scoring threat?

Right now his growth is crazy

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I keep waiting for McAvoy to look a little bit, I mean just a little, like the great 77 Ray Bourque.

CM73 is built like him in terms of thick (thanks Chia) and powerful, horse of a skater, but man 77 could finish and right now McAvoy can't find the cage. The good news is he is getting some great looks in close.

Do you guys think he will develop into a more consistent scoring threat?

Right now his growth is crazy

Ray Bourque was a natural. First team all-star as a 19 year-old rookie right out of juniors. That's setting the bar a little too high for Charlie.

 

[Gee Wally]

I keep waiting for McAvoy to look a little bit, I mean just a little, like the great 77 Ray Bourque.

CM73 is built like him in terms of thick (thanks Chia) and powerful, horse of a skater, but man 77 could finish and right now McAvoy can't find the cage. The good news is he is getting some great looks in close.

Do you guys think he will develop into a more consistent scoring threat?

Right now his growth is crazy

Bourque was a generational D man. I think your expectations are too high.

 

[Patdud]

I keep waiting for McAvoy to look a little bit, I mean just a little, like the great 77 Ray Bourque.

CM73 is built like him in terms of thick (thanks Chia) and powerful, horse of a skater, but man 77 could finish and right now McAvoy can't find the cage. The good news is he is getting some great looks in close.

Do you guys think he will develop into a more consistent scoring threat?

Right now his growth is crazy

echoing other sentiments, but Ray Bourque is top 3 all time (to me at least). If McAvoy is 77% of the player Ray Bourque was were set. I just dont think he shoots enough (ray bourque on the other hand, well look up his shot totals, there was a reason he was PPG his career)

 

[False Start]

Everything Cale Makar does has taken the NHL by storm.

McAvoy's skating stride isn't quite as efficient and powerful as Makar's but honestly it's not that far off. Watch game 7 vs STL. He went up and down the ice trying to carry the team on his back and he was dangling 3 guys before gaining the blue line. His teammates failed to convert the chances though.

Makar's hands and shot are also slightly better. McAvoy is basically the un-noticed, slightly worse version of that superstar. Seriously, other fan bases don't understand how this guy is elite 5 on 5 . We get to watch him every night.

McAvoy's strides cover so much ground it's absurd (He's the best skater on this team). His natural talent is through the roof, thick, willing to play the body, offensively gifted. He's got it all.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Everything Cale Makar does has taken the NHL by storm.

McAvoy's skating stride isn't quite as efficient and powerful as Makar's but honestly it's not that far off. Watch game 7 vs STL. He went up and down the ice trying to carry the team on his back and he was dangling 3 guys before gaining the blue line. His teammates failed to convert the chances though.

Makar's hands and shot are also slightly better. McAvoy is basically the un-noticed, slightly worse version of that superstar. Seriously, other fan bases don't understand how this guy is elite 5 on 5 . We get to watch him every night.

McAvoy's strides cover so much ground it's absurd (He's the best skater on this team). His natural talent is through the roof, thick, willing to play the body, offensively gifted. He's got it all.

At this point I would say Makar's shot is more than just slightly better than McAvoy's.

 

[Kegs]

If josi didn’t exist he would be front runner for Norris

 

[Kegs]

Everything Cale Makar does has taken the NHL by storm.

McAvoy's skating stride isn't quite as efficient and powerful as Makar's but honestly it's not that far off. Watch game 7 vs STL. He went up and down the ice trying to carry the team on his back and he was dangling 3 guys before gaining the blue line. His teammates failed to convert the chances though.

Makar's hands and shot are also slightly better. McAvoy is basically the un-noticed, slightly worse version of that superstar. Seriously, other fan bases don't understand how this guy is elite 5 on 5 . We get to watch him every night.

McAvoy's strides cover so much ground it's absurd (He's the best skater on this team). His natural talent is through the roof, thick, willing to play the body, offensively gifted. He's got it all.

Ok fair. But… McAvoy is an absolute monster who hunts elite talent down and crushes them into the next dimension. Just saying. You left the hit count out.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Ok fair. But… McAvoy is an absolute monster who hunts elite talent down and crushes them into the next dimension. Just saying. You left the hit count out.

Certainly, McAvoy has a big edge in hits. And not just statistically, but as you stated, with a degree of ferocity. And Charlie has a slight edge in blocked shots.

But their takeaway/giveaway stats favor Makar heavily.

McAvoy 25/62

Makar 41/38

 

[Kegs]

Certainly, McAvoy has a big edge in hits. And not just statistically, but as you stated, with a degree of ferocity. And Charlie has a slight edge in blocked shots.

But their takeaway/giveaway stats favor Makar heavily.

McAvoy 25/62

Makar 41/38

Ya but this is the bruins. And we totally prefer bone crushing hits.