Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

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He'd have so many more points if he was more aggressive on the PP too....either way, I'm pleasantly surprised and happy with overall play. I keep thinking to myself 'kid will hit a wall and eventually have a bad stretch of games'...but whenever he has one or 2 bad games, it stops!
 
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I've been subbed to the JFresh patreon since before the trade deadline and just came across this interesting chart that really shows what a horse McAvoy is:
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If I'm reading this right then there is not a single defenseman in the league who is doing more heavy lifting for his team at 5v5 than Charlie McAvoy.

edit: not gonna post it but on the next tab it breaks this down by 5v5 TOI and it's similarly skewed with McAvoy being the biggest outlier in the top right quadrant. This is relevant because it shows that he's not achieving this by playing fewer minutes but rather he's playing against the toughest competition with "average" teammates and doing it more often than anyone.
 

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I've been subbed to the JFresh patreon since before the trade deadline and just came across this interesting chart that really shows what a horse McAvoy is:
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If I'm reading this right then there is not a single defenseman in the league who is doing more heavy lifting for his team at 5v5 than Charlie McAvoy.

edit: not gonna post it but on the next tab it breaks this down by 5v5 TOI and it's similarly skewed with McAvoy being the biggest outlier in the top right quadrant. This is relevant because it shows that he's not achieving this by playing fewer minutes but rather he's playing against the toughest competition with "average" teammates and doing it more often than anyone.

Best overall Defensemen in the nhl

elite at every aspect of the game not just some

Fox won the Norris last year
Makar will probably win this year

But I’d rather have McAvoy all day if I need someone to shut down another teams top line
 

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McAvoy pre Lindholm

60 games +9

McAvoy with Lindholm

5 games
7 Points
+9

2020 Mac was 10th in the Norris Voting
2021 Mac was 5th in the Norris Voting
2022- I’m guessing he finishes between 4th-6th

2023 with a full season of Lindholm I’m predicting Mac wins the Norris
 

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I've been subbed to the JFresh patreon since before the trade deadline and just came across this interesting chart that really shows what a horse McAvoy is:
View attachment 526410
If I'm reading this right then there is not a single defenseman in the league who is doing more heavy lifting for his team at 5v5 than Charlie McAvoy.

edit: not gonna post it but on the next tab it breaks this down by 5v5 TOI and it's similarly skewed with McAvoy being the biggest outlier in the top right quadrant. This is relevant because it shows that he's not achieving this by playing fewer minutes but rather he's playing against the toughest competition with "average" teammates and doing it more often than anyone.
I am actually surprised to see Grizz that high on the list. I guess that is his time with McAvoy skewing it.
 

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IMO, if Charlie had a better shot he'd be nailed-on for the Norris.
 
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burstnbloom

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I've been subbed to the JFresh patreon since before the trade deadline and just came across this interesting chart that really shows what a horse McAvoy is:
View attachment 526410
If I'm reading this right then there is not a single defenseman in the league who is doing more heavy lifting for his team at 5v5 than Charlie McAvoy.

edit: not gonna post it but on the next tab it breaks this down by 5v5 TOI and it's similarly skewed with McAvoy being the biggest outlier in the top right quadrant. This is relevant because it shows that he's not achieving this by playing fewer minutes but rather he's playing against the toughest competition with "average" teammates and doing it more often than anyone.
My man
 
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Thought he was an absolute problem last night. Physical, taking liberties with the puck and going end-to-end as much as he could. McAvoy is something else, man. Just a completely game-changing player when on his game.
 

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I've been subbed to the JFresh patreon since before the trade deadline and just came across this interesting chart that really shows what a horse McAvoy is:
View attachment 526410
If I'm reading this right then there is not a single defenseman in the league who is doing more heavy lifting for his team at 5v5 than Charlie McAvoy.

edit: not gonna post it but on the next tab it breaks this down by 5v5 TOI and it's similarly skewed with McAvoy being the biggest outlier in the top right quadrant. This is relevant because it shows that he's not achieving this by playing fewer minutes but rather he's playing against the toughest competition with "average" teammates and doing it more often than anyone.
I mean Half the season he was forced to drag around Derek Forbort's Smile-less corpse
 
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burstnbloom

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Look at who is in 5th in Dom's model. The article says it's basically because Charlie is so dominant defensively, especially at 5v5.



Came here to post this.

I'm posting a snippet - the rest is beyond the paywall so I want to respect that. buy an athletic subscription, its worth it.

Well, for the “you can’t spell defencemen with defence” crowd, this one is for you: according to GSVA, Charlie McAvoy has been more valuable than Josi this season.

That’s right, 32 fewer points (!) and yet McAvoy still ranks second to only Makar. The reason: that gaudy defensive rating. Part of that is playing with Patrice Bergeron, the defensive god, but McAvoy adds a lot to that duo. It’s likely no coincidence that the best defensive season of a multiple Selke winner’s career comes now, at age 36, with McAvoy in his prime.

McAvoy has been no slouch on offence on a 61-point pace himself, but it’s the five-on-five numbers, especially defensively that are most eye-popping. In tough minutes the Bruins earn 62 percent of the expected goals this season with McAvoy on the ice, a mark that ranks second in the league among defenders to a much more sheltered defender. Since 2007-08, only two other defenders have posted an expected goals percentage higher than McAvoy: Devon Toews in 2020-21 and Marc-Édouard Vlasic in 2013-14. The only other defencemen above 59 percent are a sheltered Timothy Liljegren (62.5 percent), McAvoy’s primary partner Matt Grezlcyk (60.5 percent) and the injured Aaron Ekblad (59 percent). No player allows fewer chances than McAvoy’s 1.76 expected goals against per 60. He also just does everything well.
 

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Between him and Marchand IMHO, and I am starting to think it's McAvoy.
Brad hurts the team in games with dumb penalties and bad turnovers (I love the kid)

Charlie is the MVP to me and as consistent as any player Iv seen wear the uniform. He can knock your head off, stop you just about every time at his blue line,QB's the power play and be the best penalty killer on the team.

Clearly what the Norris should be all about. Now add in the points he's starting to produce playing along side a legit top four line mate. Amazing player
 

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