GWT: Champions League Round of 16

[YNWA14]

Crappy stream so not sure if Godin pushed Locadia or not, but there's no point arguing the Dutch teams never get calls in games against big teams. It'll need to be a lot more obvious than that.

 

[Evilo]

Crappy stream so not sure if Godin pushed Locadia or not, but there's no point arguing the Dutch teams never get calls in games against big teams. It'll need to be a lot more obvious than that.

PSV/Lyon, CL QF. Clear cut penalty on Nilmar that would give Lyon a ticket for the semis.

Whistle not blown. Complete injustice.

 

[Hadoop]

IMO the problem with Pogba right now is that he still doesn't have the consistency and decision-making qualities required to play in the position that would make the most of his immense physical attributes and elite technique, which is a CM. That I think is why he's still an LCM and occasionally (like yesterday with Sandro unavailable) an LM.

 

[cgf]

They didn't really switch to a 3-5-2 in the second half. They just pressed higher and more effectively.

Huh, guess I really should get some sleep. Did Pogba move more centrally, playing from the left half-space in, during that phase; or am I miss-remembering that as well?

 

[Adonis Creed]

Just out of curiosity, how much football do you actually play? I don't condone diving but it is not a black and white issue. The fact is there is a lot of physical play and jostling that goes on and a lot of it is over the line and the fact is, generally speaking, if you don't fall down, the ref doesn't call it. I see it in my son's games, especially when the other team has some older or bigger kids, players will take a lot of physical liberties. Again, I reiterate that as a spectator I also see too much diving in the sport and yell at the screen as much as the next guy, but I also understand that on the field you can only take getting hip-checked off the ball so many times before you let gravity take its course.

When I play with friends we play for fun and we do not play clean and there's no ref and that's just understood as part of the game. There's a couple of guys that take it too far and sometimes we have to call them out on that, but we're all friends and the group works it out. When you are playing professionally against another team though, the situation is radically different and this isn't hockey where you can send your bruiser to go start a fight with someone if he's taking liberties with your stars.

Played AAA over here in Quebec a lot. Played Keeper and Fwd. I never dove or faked. Whenver some1 did it on my team or other squad he knew it. I got a ton of Yellows. Last year I played...other fwd was a diver.

I told the ref he made a mistake and said to the other squad he's a ****.

FIFA need to do something against diver/fake.


You clearly dive, suspended 1 game. 2nd dive = 3 games.

Yu gonna punish player/squad and teammates and soon enough the diving will stop.

There's enough videoproof to apply some rules.

 

[YNWA14]

PSV/Lyon, CL QF. Clear cut penalty on Nilmar that would give Lyon a ticket for the semis.

Whistle not blown. Complete injustice.

I wouldn't say Lyon are considered on the same level as Barcelona, City, Real Madrid, PSG, Milan etc. are right now, and Dutch football has declined in standing and perception a lot over the last decade or so. Watching Ajax against the sides listed above almost any 50/50 call it seemed and more went against them.

Not really complaining anyway, as it's the case with any small team against those big name teams with lots of money in the CL. I was just saying there was no point in PSV/Locadia making a big deal out of it because they're not going to get a close call like that most of the time, especially against a bigger side.

 

[YNWA14]

Have to say PSV are playing well.

 

[Evilo]

I wouldn't say Lyon are considered on the same level as Barcelona, City, Real Madrid, PSG, Milan etc. are right now, and Dutch football has declined in standing and perception a lot over the last decade or so. Watching Ajax against the sides listed above almost any 50/50 call it seemed and more went against them.

Not really complaining anyway, as it's the case with any small team against those big name teams with lots of money in the CL. I was just saying there was no point in PSV/Locadia making a big deal out of it because they're not going to get a close call like that most of the time, especially against a bigger side.

Lyon was a big side then. QF every year, eliminated Real and others.
Back then they were seen as favourites against PSV and yet PSV got the awful call.

What I mean is that bigger teams usually get the calls (I've claimed that enough here), but I don't think it has anything to do with nationality. PSV get easy calls all the time in the dutch league, just like Ajax.

 

[S E P H]

Are you really arguing about the difference between "just under 200M" and "under 200M"?

GMAFB.

I don't know what GMAFB means, but I apologize I didn't see that. It was also bad English on my part by saying "just under". Wasn't really thinking there when I wrote that.

Did some research and a news article from February of 2016 says that Laporte's buy-out clause is £32million. Add some salary in there to make him want to move and deal would probably be around 37 million pounds worst case for wages. Are you saying that Arsenal's 200 million warchest will take a hit for a player this good?

And Laporte would be the best of the most realistic cases out there. Arsenal could have bought either Nicolas Nkoulou or Aymen Abdennour for around 12 million pounds each that would be superior upgrades on Mertesacker.

-S E P H is a nutter with avatars that scare me and he's well crazy about that invented back pass, but I will say he's right about Arsenal in the transfer market. Arsenal have largely failed to bring in appropriate players for years and they continue to do so. Even when they bring in the likes of a Sanchez or Ozil, which will only take you so far anyway, they fail to supplement such signings. I'm not sure they could have tempted Laporte, but making a real run for him is at least something. As much as I respect Wenger and as good as he is considering the players he's had to work with for a while now, he holds the club back when he refuses to spend. They've made smart buys over the years, but sometimes you have to splash the cash as well.

My avatar is perfection, Botan is the grim reaper in Yu Yu Hakusho. Get with the program. I don't deny the fact that I have crazy opinions of football, the thing though is I am normally right in the end.

It wasn't just me complaining about the intention back pass, 90% of the Emirates were screaming about it as well when it happened.

I also think you're being too hard on Sanchez, not saying every fall from him was legitimate, but every fall was a result from some sort of contact. It's not like he's in Ashley Young territory, he's far from it.
While Busquets, has the reputation of a diver. Don't think he dived in this game, but his hands are far from clean. I am an Avs fan and we had Steve Downie for a period, he had a reputation from his past and got some horrible calls called on him because of that reputation. But not once was he suspended when he was with the Avs. That doesn't mean he was a clean player though. I think the same philosophy should apply to Busquets.

I will say that as a Wenger out person, I thought the tactics he displayed yesterday were perfection. It's just his inability so see holes in his team which causes them to constantly lose 1st place in CL groups, get spanked by inferior opponents in Round of 16, and consistent issues when it comes to winning the EPL Title.

 

[YNWA14]

Ohhhh Propper! Did so well until the shot at Oblak. Propper is a proper player, that guy.

Lyon was a big side then. QF every year, eliminated Real and others.
Back then they were seen as favourites against PSV and yet PSV got the awful call.

What I mean is that bigger teams usually get the calls (I've claimed that enough here), but I don't think it has anything to do with nationality. PSV get easy calls all the time in the dutch league, just like Ajax.

Yeah, sorry, I said Dutch but I didn't mean it to do be like an anti-Dutch sentiment more that they are not the big sides anymore and thus won't get the calls.

 

[HajdukSplit]

tie over in Kiev

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Harsh 2nd yellow on perior who has been impressive until that point.

 

[YNWA14]

Idiot.

 

[YNWA14]

Should bring on Hendrix for Ginkel perhaps at this point, and hope to get a lucky break on the counter. May have cost themselves the tie with that red.

EDIT: Had that pretyped, taking off Guardado is kind of a weird one for me...he's been one of their best players.

 

[Just Win]

Should bring on Hendrix for Ginkel perhaps at this point, and hope to get a lucky break on the counter. May have cost themselves the tie with that red.

EDIT: Had that pretyped, taking off Guardado is kind of a weird one for me...he's been one of their best players.

it's his first game back from injury. Not really a surprise he can't play 90 minutes yet.

 

[YNWA14]

it's his first game back from injury. Not really a surprise he can't play 90 minutes yet.

Yeah, he seemed ok though, and probably one of the biggest games they'll play all year. Not a huge deal.

 

[HajdukSplit]

Nice goal by Yaya Toure after a good spell of possession for Man City, Dynamo Kiev didn't even bother pressing though and were almost content at losing 1:2, now at 1:3 its over for them, if it wasn't before that Toure goal

 

[Power Man]

Nice goal by Yaya Toure after a good spell of possession for Man City, Dynamo Kiev didn't even bother pressing though and were almost content at losing 1:2, now at 1:3 its over for them, if it wasn't before that Toure goal

I thought it was Thursday today, I was like WTF

 

[YNWA14]

Well, not a horrible result for PSV. In fact a pretty good one. No away goal, defended well after going down to 10 men and probably had the two best chances to score during the game.

Going to Atletico is going to be a huge test for them, but they don't have a horrible chance of nicking an away goal and progressing.

 

[Pouchkine]

Nice game by PSV and they have a real shot in Madrid with De Jong back. What an idiot this Pereiro guy is.

Get ready for a PSV-Wolfsburg 1/4

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Atleti complicated this tie for them...they are struggling to score in recent game is worrisome, If I were a fan I wouldn't consider the away game a formality. PSV could easily scored goal meaning Atleti have to get 2.

It's either Greiz scores or nobody does. Jackson,Vietto and Torres all haven't pulled their weight. I'd start interchanging Vietto and Correa as the 2ng forward up top with Greizzman, considering what Torres has become this stage in his career.

 

[YNWA14]

Well PSV have shown they have the discipline to play smart and not get sucked into a counter-fest with Atletico, which is where their strength lies. If they can show the same level of discipline on the return leg they are in a good way. They'll also have Luuk back (who would not have taken that stupid foul for the red), along with a fully healthy Lestienne who can play the full match. Bergwijn should also be available to bring on late to really run at Atletico/get onto long balls against a tired team, and he's a real big game player.

It will definitely be interesting.

 

[Hadoop]

Atleti complicated this tie for them...they are struggling to score in recent game is worrisome, If I were a fan I wouldn't consider the away game a formality. PSV could easily scored goal meaning Atleti have to get 2.

It's either Greiz scores or nobody does. Jackson,Vietto and Torres all haven't pulled their weight. I'd start interchanging Vietto and Correa as the 2ng forward up top with Greizzman, considering what Torres has become this stage in his career.

Jackson was supposed to be their #9 of course. He was awful but at least they made a profit on him. Now instead of the UEFA CL he gets to fire blanks in the AFC CL. http://www.espnfc.us/gamecast/statistics/id/444873/statistics.html

 

[Deficient Mode]

They pressured higher only because Bayern stopped trying to build something offensively but tried to keep the ball in midfield. That allowed Juventus to play higher up the pitch and pressure the ball handlers.

I don't think Bayern somehow became more passive, and I attribute the change more to Mandzukic and Dybala (and then Morata) pressing them higher, and forcing backward passes. Bayern's center backs had a ton of the ball in the first half, too, but they weren't really attacked, since Allegri prioritized compactness in their own half.

Bayern didn't really adjust their structure well to Juve's pressing. Lahm couldn't move into the middle in buildup as much. Benatia coming on probably hurt Bayern in buildup too. He didn't seem very well integrated in the match, and he can't deal with pressure as well as Kimmich or Alaba.

Huh, guess I really should get some sleep. Did Pogba move more centrally, playing from the left half-space in, during that phase; or am I miss-remembering that as well?

He did move more centrally I believe. Still a 4-4-2.

 

[Pouchkine]

Lyon in 2005 wasn't a big name team. The previous year they made the 1/4 after having beat Real Sociedad in the 1/8 that's it. In 2003 they were eliminated by Denizlispor in the Uefa Cup. I watched that game and I couldn't believe the referee didn't give the penalty, probably a home team call or just didn't want to make the call. One thing is sure PSV was miles better then than today and Lyon was fun to watch too.

I think he refers to the previous times Dutch teams were hard done by suspect refereeing against mainly AC Milan Inter Juventus Real Madrid...

Yesterday no complains on the two yellows, they should drop the guy, absolutely stupid, the second one he just goes for the full body check with elbow doesn't even watch the ball.