Champions Hockey League for 2021/2022

[Eye of Ra]

I dont know what Tardif is thinking. Why should not SHL have 5 teams when SHL is the best league? He want the leagues of Poland, Austria etc to have as many teams as Sweden? Take a look at how CL is in Handball and Soccer.

It feels like Tardif is tired of SHL dominating CL. Well, its up to the other leagues to improve. Not SHL getting punished for being too good.

 

[vorky]

I dont know what Tardif is thinking. Why should not SHL have 5 teams when SHL is the best league? He want the leagues of Poland, Austria etc to have as many teams as Sweden? Take a look at how CL is in Handball and Soccer.

It feels like Tardif is tired of SHL dominating CL. Well, its up to the other leagues to improve. Not SHL getting punished for being too good.

It is not about Tardif. Fasel talked the same - too many teams in the CHL. The point is that there is not quality & parity for so many teams, btw. that is a reason for CHL´s contraction.

It is not about punishing anybody. The question remains if teams from Poland etc should participate at group stage?

You used handball & soccer. I have just googled, EHF Champions League has 18 teams with Germany having two, the rest has just one team. It is what Fasel wanted.

Soccer. Top soccer leagues are bigger, for example EPL has 20 teams, Bundesliga 18, La Liga 20 & they delegate just 4 clubs to UEFA CL. In hockey you have SHL (14 clubs) & NL (12-13) with 5 teams making CHL. No enough talent for it. And I do not speak about venues... not good enough infrastructure in some CHL teams

 

[vorky]

Germans without best players. As Baumann says, playing the CHL SF without best players says a lot about value of hockey.

 

[Lartsaman]

Tappara Tampere won 3-0 and made it to the CHL-final.

 

[Hinterland]

I dont know what Tardif is thinking. Why should not SHL have 5 teams when SHL is the best league? He want the leagues of Poland, Austria etc to have as many teams as Sweden? Take a look at how CL is in Handball and Soccer.

It feels like Tardif is tired of SHL dominating CL. Well, its up to the other leagues to improve. Not SHL getting punished for being too good.

Number of teams from leagues is completely irrelevant. As long as there's no money in it, the best team is never gonna win. Many teams won't care and KHL won't take part. The old champions league had a prize money of 10 million euros, 1 million for the winner alone. Then teams cared and stadiums were full. This competition is a joke. I think prize money is barely or not even a third of the old champions league. In an ideal world, teams would play for pride and honor but that's not how it works.

 

[Lartsaman]

I´ve wondered how swedish teams didn´t care about the old Champions Hockey League and ECC tournaments on single bit and now they dominate. I remember Frölunda playing ECC-tournament in 2006. They did´nt win a single game, and they seemed like they did´nt even care.

 

[Hinterland]

I´ve wondered how swedish teams didn´t care about the old Champions Hockey League and ECC tournaments on single bit and now they dominate. I remember Frölunda playing ECC-tournament in 2006. They did´nt win a single game, and they seemed like they did´nt even care.

Competition was just better. KHL was taking part and Swiss teams weren't half assing it the way they are now. For Swiss clubs, even though some are shareholders I think, league is clear priority. They either just rest their top players or they're playing the games like exhibitions. Money rules. For Swedish clubs, this prize money might be worth competing but from what I know, none of them really have money and the SHL isn't generating a lot either but elsewhere the situation is different.

 

[vorky]

 

[Shawn Heins 44]

Number of teams from leagues is completely irrelevant. As long as there's no money in it, the best team is never gonna win. Many teams won't care and KHL won't take part. The old champions league had a prize money of 10 million euros, 1 million for the winner alone. Then teams cared and stadiums were full. This competition is a joke. I think prize money is barely or not even a third of the old champions league. In an ideal world, teams would play for pride and honor but that's not how it works.

I think the number of teams form the league at least is relevant to the fans. If my team is one of maybe max 2 of my country that qualifies, it makes it more exclusive and special. My team (Fribourg) has been to the CL a few times and has not really been a force nationally for years now (this year we are quite good). So for me as a fan, us being there does not seem right and it tells me that probably a lot of bad teams made the cut. I would rather only qualify every 10 years but then really deserve it.

 

[Slimmy]

Competition was just better. KHL was taking part and Swiss teams weren't half assing it the way they are now. For Swiss clubs, even though some are shareholders I think, league is clear priority. They either just rest their top players or they're playing the games like exhibitions. Money rules. For Swedish clubs, this prize money might be worth competing but from what I know, none of them really have money and the SHL isn't generating a lot either but elsewhere the situation is different.

SHL doesn't generate money? Am I understanding this right? Swiss league is better than SHL and Swiss teams are better than SHL teams. But, Swiss teams just don't care because there's no money in the CHL and SHL teams, who have no money, play to win? Is this how I should understand your post?
Do you know what the prize money is this year for CHL and what the winner will get?

 

[Slimmy]

I´ve wondered how swedish teams didn´t care about the old Champions Hockey League and ECC tournaments on single bit and now they dominate. I remember Frölunda playing ECC-tournament in 2006. They did´nt win a single game, and they seemed like they did´nt even care.

Frölunda along with a few other SHL teams were the founders of this iteration of the Champions Hockey League and Frölunda was the main catalyst. Frölunda made it one of their long term goals to grow their brand and grow their market within Europe. The creation of the CHL and success in the tournament is part of this strategy.

 

[Hinterland]

SHL doesn't generate money? Am I understanding this right? Swiss league is better than SHL and Swiss teams are better than SHL teams. But, Swiss teams just don't care because there's no money in the CHL and SHL teams, who have no money, play to win? Is this how I should understand your post?
Do you know what the prize money is this year for CHL and what the winner will get?

No. I was talking about NL, not SL. Obviously, SL teams don't play Chl. The numbers I mentioned in my last post already.

 

[Hinterland]

Frölunda along with a few other SHL teams were the founders of this iteration of the Champions Hockey League and Frölunda was the main catalyst. Frölunda made it one of their long term goals to grow their brand and grow their market within Europe. The creation of the CHL and success in the tournament is part of this strategy.

They should probably fire their marketing department as part of that strategy as well. First the Indianhead logo, then the swastika one they had to take back after a few hours because of a huge shitstorm. Unless of course that's part of their brand building strategy. Surely, this idiot move generated more headlines than a few wins in a competition hardly anybody cares about.

 

[vorky]

They should probably fire their marketing department as part of that strategy as well. First the Indianhead logo, then the swastika one they had to take back after a few hours because of a huge shitstorm. Unless of course that's part of their brand building strategy. Surely, this idiot move generated more headlines than a few wins in a competition hardly anybody cares about.

Just for fun, I looked at Frölunda´s website. They announced the new logo on February 2, local time 13:45. And on February 4, local time 10:00 they announced the withdrawal of that logo. Not even 48 hours!

You are right about headlines, the Czech & Slovak media have never written about Swedish hockey, now all media are talking about that logo.

 

[Exarz]

They should probably fire their marketing department as part of that strategy as well. First the Indianhead logo, then the swastika one they had to take back after a few hours because of a huge shitstorm. Unless of course that's part of their brand building strategy. Surely, this idiot move generated more headlines than a few wins in a competition hardly anybody cares about.

I literally just believe they are tone deaf and completely detached from their fan base and members as it's not the first time Frölunda abruptly changes their identity. The original name is Västra Frölunda, but they dropped Västra in 2004 for no particular reason. The original colours are green and white but they changed it to red and white. Then, of course, we got the logo that was implemented in 1995 and has no relation to Gothenburg what so ever.

 

[Urbanskog]

I literally just believe they are tone deaf and completely detached from their fan base and members as it's not the first time Frölunda abruptly changes their identity. The original name is Västra Frölunda, but they dropped Västra in 2004 for no particular reason. The original colours are green and white but they changed it to red and white. Then, of course, we got the logo that was implemented in 1995 and has no relation to Gothenburg what so ever.

It's hard to understand why don't they simply go back to the logo (preferably the pre-1984 one) which preceded the Indians logo instead of trying to come up with something completely new and artificial once again.

 

[Exarz]

It's hard to understand why don't they simply go back to the logo (preferably the pre-1984 one) which preceded the Indians logo instead of trying to come up with something completely new and artificial once again.

From my understandings the pre-1984 logo cannot be used for copyright reasons as it is used by the handball and football section. Frölunda HC became independent from Västra Frölunda IF in 1984, which was an alliance containing all sporting sections of Västra Frölunda. The 1984 logo was more or less a quick-fix for when they became independent and still receives mixed feelings from their supporters. That's why they wished to find a middle-way with a new, unique logo that had influences from the past (the most notable suggestion can be seen under every Frölunda tweet).

 

[OskarOskarius]

IIHF President Luc Tardif on Champions Hockey League: "if five teams come from one country, it is difficult to sell such a tournament as a league of champions."

The word ”Champion” have several meanings. It is not just ”winner” but can also be understood as ”elite”. I don’t like Champions League formats regardless of sport, in football it has arguably been disastrous to domestic leagues, which are now so utterly predictable there is no point in watching them, thanks to the unbalanced winner takes it all logic in regards to prize money etc.

 

[OskarOskarius]

I dont know what Tardif is thinking. Why should not SHL have 5 teams when SHL is the best league? He want the leagues of Poland, Austria etc to have as many teams as Sweden? Take a look at how CL is in Handball and Soccer.

It feels like Tardif is tired of SHL dominating CL. Well, its up to the other leagues to improve. Not SHL getting punished for being too good.

Indeed the only way to get non SHL teams in the final seems to be to match SHL teams against each other. I don’t see other leagues catching up with SHL however, unless something unexpected happens eg Jokerit returning home.

 

[Hinterland]

Indeed the only way to get non SHL teams in the final seems to be to match SHL teams against each other. I don’t see other leagues catching up with SHL however, unless something unexpected happens eg Jokerit returning home.

The only way to get teams interested is to offer more money. Top NL and KHL teams are operating with over four times the budget of the top SHL teams. St.Petersburg has even more. So of course the current tournament isn't interesting for NL teams and KHL doesn't even take part. The old tournament was more attractive because prize money was over three times higher.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

Found this article on swiss clubs lack of success every year in CHL.

Pretty interesting

Live Sport und News

 

[vorky]

The only way to get teams interested is to offer more money. Top NL and KHL teams are operating with over four times the budget of the top SHL teams. St.Petersburg has even more. So of course the current tournament isn't interesting for NL teams and KHL doesn't even take part. The old tournament was more attractive because prize money was over three times higher.

Just some facts I know...

Jokerit with a budget around 25 million euro. That is some average KHL budget. Slovan said they need at least 15 million euro to even consider re-joining KHL.

Top 2-3 Czech clubs, before COVID, had budget around 5-6 million euro. Slovan as a top Slovak league club, with a budget around 3-4 million euro, the rest of the league around 1 million euro.

You can present the NL budgets.

 

[OskarOskarius]

The only way to get teams interested is to offer more money. Top NL and KHL teams are operating with over four times the budget of the top SHL teams. St.Petersburg has even more. So of course the current tournament isn't interesting for NL teams and KHL doesn't even take part. The old tournament was more attractive because prize money was over three times higher.

I think they are interested but their teams aren’t good enough (due to cap on foreign players). We don’t want high prize money. That is what killed European football. It would destroy hockey as well.

 

[Hinterland]

I think they are interested but their teams aren’t good enough (due to cap on foreign players). We don’t want high prize money. That is what killed European football. It would destroy hockey as well.

In earlier, better paid competitions, Swedish teams were nowhere near competitive. It's a financial thing as Swiss teams are operating with about 4 times higher budgets and some KHL teams have even more. Of course priorities are different. The prize money of the current competition may be interesting for Scandinavian teams but it's no more than tips for teams operating with 4 or 5 times higher budgets.

 

[Hinterland]

Just some facts I know...

Jokerit with a budget around 25 million euro. That is some average KHL budget. Slovan said they need at least 15 million euro to even consider re-joining KHL.

Top 2-3 Czech clubs, before COVID, had budget around 5-6 million euro. Slovan as a top Slovak league club, with a budget around 3-4 million euro, the rest of the league around 1 million euro.

You can present the NL budgets.

I told you already. The top clubs range from 15 to 20+ millions...essentially probably more because most clubs (except Bern) have private investors pumping money into clubs in order to acquire and pay players. There are a few clubs operating with a budget around 10 millions but that usually won't get you very far. I believe in Sweden, top teams are usually still around 5 millions. Correct me if I'm wrong.