Confirmed Trade: [CGY/ARI] Michael Stone at 50% retained FOR 2017 3rd round pick and a 2018 cndl 5th

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belair

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This is a clear win for Calgary.

Stone is a **** defenseman currently but he's a middle-pairing guy who's proven can put up points. He'll re-sign to a 2 or 3 year affordable show-me contract and fill the hole left by Wideman.

The Flames essentially just traded for a 26-year-old Cody Franson...if he doesn't get taken by Vegas.
 

Weltschmerz

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Ooooof! I was waaaaaaaay off!!! Haha. I thought Stone would get a 2nd and a B prospect. Wow I was wrong. This might be the furthest off I've been on the actual value of one of our players. There are some very embarrassing gems in my post history. Yikes.

Poor rt, not sure it helps, but i thought your value was right :laugh:
 

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Yeah, I threw out the 1st retort more than once. Mostly in an effort to curb super low ball offers like a messily 3rd rounder that were just sonout of touch with...wait...ummm...damn.
:laugh: I wasn't calling you out

I watched him a lot with the Hitmen and always cheered for him. Too bad he went to the Phlegms
 

Nalens Oga

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You guys are overrating Stone and the fact that it's two mid-round picks. He wasn't gonna get a 1st back and I'd rather have a 3rd + 5th than a 2nd anyways especially if I can get a 2018 draft pick in there.

The most important thing is they got something out of that asset rather than haggling.
 

OilTastic

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This is a clear win for Calgary.

Stone is a **** defenseman currently but he's a middle-pairing guy who's proven can put up points. He'll re-sign to a 2 or 3 year affordable show-me contract and fill the hole left by Wideman.

The Flames essentially just traded for a 26-year-old Cody Franson...if he doesn't get taken by Vegas.

^if he's not taken by Vegas, he'll likely try to sign in his hometown of Winnipeg, where they are likely looking to replace the likes of Mark Stuart, Toby Enstrom and perhaps Paul Postma.
 

Vipers31

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Maybe they thought this is the best they could get. Especially if there wasn't much interest in Stone, and the Flames want to lowball them a little more at the deadline.

Well, you know what kind of dynamic can develop on deadline day. There isn't a ton of defenders out there, and one team loses out on their main target, and suddenly Stone moves up. Personally, if a team wants me to make a decision on the player before the deadline, I'd require a slam dunk of a return. This really isn't remotely that. At that price, I see virtually no downside to passing and waiting for deadline day to see what happens. The risk of getting much less than this is pretty non-existent.
 

BUX7PHX

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This had nothing to do with return and everything with Chayka pacifying Burke

>offer Duclair for Hamilton

>get on the bad side of the oldest boy of the old boys club who now poisons the well with all the other old boy GMs/other people for you

>give him freebie on ~2nd pairing yet expendable player to get back on his good side.

How do you mean that?

Even if Chayka was the GM in question to whom it had been implied that Hamilton was available, then where does the problem lie? Either Chayka decided to flat out lie about availability, or Burke/Treliving was not clear enough that Hamilton could or could not be dealt. Clearly, not one of us was on the phone call that occurred between the two.

The question is, which makes more sense:

A. the player was never available and Burke goes public to blast another GM for putting that out there

B. the player could have been mentioned in talks, and the GM tries to put rumors to rest that he may be available after acquiring him a year earlier

I don't know which one happened, but I would see B as being a more likely option. Why blast someone for stating someone was available who never was? There isn't even a need for Burke to respond to that b/c other GMs will soon find out that the GM saying that was full of ****. But option B does sound like some sense of damage control where the GM doesn't want to reveal what players were talked about, and he doesn't want to create a rift where it appears that the team is giving up on a player whom they recently acquired.

Color me skeptical that Burke responded as a result of A. Think about it - why go back and deal with someone if A had happened with the same GM earlier in the year? If A was that detrimental from a dealing with a GM standpoint, lack of trust, etc., then don't deal with that person again.
 

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Either way, this is a good value deal for Calgary. Not sure why Chayka HAD TO deal him now if that was the return.

It's quite possible that CGY isn't finished and needed Stone to allow them to make other moves. And/or that Chayka already had a feel for his value around the league and realized that waiting probably wasn't going to improve things. He gets hurt and his value is zero. Is that worth the risk of trying to hold out and get a 2nd from someone vs a 3rd and a conditional 5th?
 

SaintMorose

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Hopefully his stay in Calgary is a good one, he wont be re-signed until after the expansion draft but I'd like to take a chance on him finding his game again.
 

Ainec

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How do you mean that?

Even if Chayka was the GM in question to whom it had been implied that Hamilton was available, then where does the problem lie? Either Chayka decided to flat out lie about availability, or Burke/Treliving was not clear enough that Hamilton could or could not be dealt. Clearly, not one of us was on the phone call that occurred between the two.

The question is, which makes more sense:

A. the player was never available and Burke goes public to blast another GM for putting that out there

B. the player could have been mentioned in talks, and the GM tries to put rumors to rest that he may be available after acquiring him a year earlier

I don't know which one happened, but I would see B as being a more likely option. Why blast someone for stating someone was available who never was? There isn't even a need for Burke to respond to that b/c other GMs will soon find out that the GM saying that was full of ****. But option B does sound like some sense of damage control where the GM doesn't want to reveal what players were talked about, and he doesn't want to create a rift where it appears that the team is giving up on a player whom they recently acquired.

Color me skeptical that Burke responded as a result of A. Think about it - why go back and deal with someone if A had happened with the same GM earlier in the year? If A was that detrimental from a dealing with a GM standpoint, lack of trust, etc., then don't deal with that person again.

If that's the case, noone would deal with Winnipeg's GM
 

Vipers31

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Ooooof! I was waaaaaaaay off!!! Haha. I thought Stone would get a 2nd and a B prospect. Wow I was wrong. This might be the furthest off I've been on the actual value of one of our players. There are some very embarrassing gems in my post history. Yikes.

He's had a bad year. But he's been really good the couple of seasons before. Big shot. Can play physical. Apart from this year he was solid defensively. He's familiar with Calgary and if he sticks around he might surprise you with how good he can be. He might contribute to both special teams. For a 3rd rounder in the worst draft in years, you've got a steal.

Another voice here to let you know you're not alone. :laugh: At the beginning of the year, a 1st seemed reasonable. With his extended struggles, reducing it to a 2nd plus eh-prospect seemed fair, as well. Not sure where the disconnect was. Should be interesting to see whether the market shows any bigger trends, or whether it was just Stone individually who got misplaced.
 

Jared Dunn

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^if he's not taken by Vegas, he'll likely try to sign in his hometown of Winnipeg, where they are likely looking to replace the likes of Mark Stuart, Toby Enstrom and perhaps Paul Postma.

Yeah makes a ton of sense with their poor RD depth of Trouba, Myers and Byfuglien...

A player being from a city doesn't automatically make it a top destination for them
 

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^if he's not taken by Vegas, he'll likely try to sign in his hometown of Winnipeg, where they are likely looking to replace the likes of Mark Stuart, Toby Enstrom and perhaps Paul Postma.
His wife is from Calgary and they just had twins, so re-signing n Calgary would hardly be a shock. Also this could be Chayka and the Coyotes doing Stone a solid.
 

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Well, you know what kind of dynamic can develop on deadline day. There isn't a ton of defenders out there, and one team loses out on their main target, and suddenly Stone moves up. Personally, if a team wants me to make a decision on the player before the deadline, I'd require a slam dunk of a return. This really isn't remotely that. At that price, I see virtually no downside to passing and waiting for deadline day to see what happens. The risk of getting much less than this is pretty non-existent.

exactly this.
 
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