Proposal: Ceci to Leafs
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Kelly
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I wouldn't trade Brown straight up for Lazar. "Scraps" is a pretty ignorant thing to say.
Kelly
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Lazar is just MEH.
Brown scored 60% of Lazar's points totals in only 9% as many games last year.
His OHL success is not part of McDavid, Brown played with Fox and Gaunce the majority of his 'big' season. He's a stud and I wouldn't trade him for a dime a dozen center.
Then what about his AHL success? What about his 6 points in 7 games in the NHL.
I'm not saying he is a superstar but your down right wrong about Brown. The guy is one of the hardest workers you'll ever see and he will make the NHL
Uhhh what does this have to do with what I said?
A lot of fans are under rating Ottawa players and a lot of other fans are under rating Leaf players. That's all I was saying
Atomos2
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Then he dropped like a rock and sunk to the bottom of the pecking order. Whatever team Canada did proved to be the right choice because they came back with a gold medal. Meaning getting Rielly to play 10 more minutes than Ceci and shut down a red hot Laine in the finals while Ceci mostly watched from the bench was the right choice.
exporta
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Lazar has far more value than Brown. That being said, you need to know what you have before you move it.
Brown has produced at every level including a brief NHL showcase. They bring a similar drive. Yes he had McDavid in the O, and had Nylander in the A. But he could have Matthews or others in the show.
Seems like a lateral move/giving up on Brown for what we think he'll amount to. Doesn't make sense for either team, as we would have to add.
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Voodoo Child
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Nylander for Ceci and a not insubstantial but not backbreaking + (Puempel or Lazar won't cut it, but asking for Chabot or the '17 1st isn't reasonable) is fair value...Gardiner straight is also fair but that's a gamble for the Sens and a lateral move for the Leafs.
But then playing Nylander so often within the division is a terrifying prospect...given that he will either be playing with or sheltered by Matthews, I'm comfortable making a large wager that in 3 years time he's outproducing both Brassard and Turris.
I don't think there's a deal to be made here.
But then playing Nylander so often within the division is a terrifying prospect...given that he will either be playing with or sheltered by Matthews, I'm comfortable making a large wager that in 3 years time he's outproducing both Brassard and Turris.
I don't think there's a deal to be made here.
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danielpalfredsson
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What's with fans of division rivals thinking there's any amount of realism to Ottawa gift wrapping their RFAs to divisional rivals?
Even if Ottawa moves on from Ceci, they aren't moving him within the division to Toronto for futures unless Toronto is giving them a significantly better return than other teams, which the offer in this thread isn't.
Even if Ottawa moves on from Ceci, they aren't moving him within the division to Toronto for futures unless Toronto is giving them a significantly better return than other teams, which the offer in this thread isn't.
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I wouldn't trade Brown If I were the Leafs looking in as a Sens fan, but he doesn't hold the value around the league that he may within a year or two should he breakout, that he does for the Leafs right now.
He is similar to the value Stone had for the Sens prior to his breakout in the NHL. We knew that he was worth a lot more than what was perceived, but he was still held out of the upper echelon of prospects (not even sure he appeared higher than 40 on a top prospects ranking). He dominated junior to a bigger extent, and AHL to a very similar/bigger extent. I'd keep Brown for at least a year to determine what he can be at the NHL level, this season should be a big indicator of where he is.
At this point, as a Sens fan, I'd love to get Brown, but not at the cost of a guy like Ceci.
Ceci is a 22 year old, who IMO is the Sens #3 right now. I was never sold on him until the acquisition of Phaneuf. After watching him not have to drag literal dead-weight around (Cowen, Weircioch, Boro) on the second pair, he turned into an absolute machine on the back-end.
It would take a severe over-payment to sway the Sens into trading away Ceci, this is the first time they have had a stable top 4 in nearly 5 years.
Nylander is a gun, a top prospect. I highly doubt the Leafs would even offer him for Ceci, but the Sens still wouldn't make that deal. Ceci means too much to the Sens.
I missed Brown being in the original proposal, he is the best piece in the OP's offer. Dermott and Leipsic do nothing for the Sens, and a 2nd, while valuable, adds nothing towards what the Sens are doing right now.
He is similar to the value Stone had for the Sens prior to his breakout in the NHL. We knew that he was worth a lot more than what was perceived, but he was still held out of the upper echelon of prospects (not even sure he appeared higher than 40 on a top prospects ranking). He dominated junior to a bigger extent, and AHL to a very similar/bigger extent. I'd keep Brown for at least a year to determine what he can be at the NHL level, this season should be a big indicator of where he is.
At this point, as a Sens fan, I'd love to get Brown, but not at the cost of a guy like Ceci.
Ceci is a 22 year old, who IMO is the Sens #3 right now. I was never sold on him until the acquisition of Phaneuf. After watching him not have to drag literal dead-weight around (Cowen, Weircioch, Boro) on the second pair, he turned into an absolute machine on the back-end.
It would take a severe over-payment to sway the Sens into trading away Ceci, this is the first time they have had a stable top 4 in nearly 5 years.
Nylander is a gun, a top prospect. I highly doubt the Leafs would even offer him for Ceci, but the Sens still wouldn't make that deal. Ceci means too much to the Sens.
I missed Brown being in the original proposal, he is the best piece in the OP's offer. Dermott and Leipsic do nothing for the Sens, and a 2nd, while valuable, adds nothing towards what the Sens are doing right now.
I have my doubts about Connor Brown.... I don't see him as any more than a bottom 6 guy or possibly a guy that does well in the AHL but never in the NHL
Pyrophorus
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I love Brown, but he had like 1 game with 4 Points ( I think), so his stats are little better then it should be. But I sure hope he makes it the big League this year, my fantasy pool really needs it
Lol. Anyone who knows anything knows the leafs don't pass on the initial offer. Get a clue lol. Wow
Pretty much. The trade was the equivalent of "Proven D man and prospect for a bunch of maybes"
Where exactly is the value? There's a pretty good chance that none of those assets become NHL players.
Horrible, horrible trade.
GWNR
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Pretty much.
I'm actually a big fan of Brown, but if anyting thinks those 4 equal Ceci and Lazar you're out of your mind.
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There is a pretty good chance all of them become NHL players. Dermott was a recent 34th overall pick in a deep draft who along with Chabot was one of the better D for Canada at the WJC and has improved since then. Brown is a workhorse, a heart & soul player who was rated a top 50 prospect in the last Prospect ranking by THN I believe. He has always been underrated, just as he has been in this thread by posters who are obviously unfamiliar with him.
Leaving out Lazar, who isn't needed, Brown + Dermott is fair value in a vacuum for Ceci, adding Leipsic and a 2nd is overpay. But Ottawa fans wouldn't want to move Ceci, which is understandable.
Some notes; Brown wasn't a product of McDavid - people suggesting that are giving away that they are clueless. Nor was he a product of Nylander - once again, clueless if you believe that.
Dermott is in the same value ballpark as Chabot, if you refer to him as a "scrub" than don't let me catch you saying otherwise about Chabot. Dermott has actually continued to develop and would improve upon his draft position in a re-draft, on the other hand wasn't Chabot publicly called out for not bringing it recently?
So Dion is Ottawa's 2nd best D, and has helped Ceci? Cool, Dion was an anchor during his last year in TOR who Jake Gardiner had to carry. Gardiner>Phaneuf>Ceci. Forget Brown and Dermott, Ceci ++ for Gardiner.
