Proposal: Ceci to Leafs

[WhatWhat]

Counter-Proposal:

To Sens:
William Nylander


To Leafs:
Mikael Wikstrand
Gabriel Gagne
Matt Puempel
Ben Harpur
2nd Round Pick 2019

Sens likely get the best player, but the Leafs get a tonne of depth of guys who technically could become NHL players. Wikstrand is a highly touted blue-line prospect who on the right team could possibly be an NHLer. In Harpur and Gagne you get two big-time prospects (by big-time I mean tall) on defence and up-front. Add in a sniping former first round pick in Matt Puempel and a 2nd round pick that could be the next Subban, O'Reilly, or Weber, and I think on balance this tips in Toronto's favour. But I like Nylander a lot so I'm willing to overpay.

This is right on the money

 

[SpezDispenser]

 

[topshelf15]

Ok. Honestly, you're delusional. I never one claimed some kids are going to come in and be 100% better than him.
You're making **** up

Your words Ceci is obviousy not worth a Marner,Nylander or a Matthews.I did say,there is no way would Toronto be moving these pieces as they are a big part of their future ,but Ottawa wont move Ceci for anything less .

 

[BondraTime]

Adam Larsson just got traded for Taylor Hall, I honestly don't see much difference between Ceci and Larsson.

Ceci had more goals LAST SEASON than Larson has in HIS CAREER

 

[Uchiha]

Ok. Honestly, you're delusional. I never one claimed some kids are going to come in and be 100% better than him.
You're making **** up

I suggest you just drop the discussion with him. His posts are confusing and he can't form a simple argument.

 

[topshelf15]

I suggest you just drop the discussion with him. His posts are confusing and he can't form a simple argument.

And yours make about as much sense as a 12 year old

 

[Gavy]

Your words Ceci is obviousy not worth a Marner,Nylander or a Matthews.I did say,there is no way would Toronto be moving these pieces as they are a big part of their future ,but Ottawa wont move Ceci for anything less .

This is my last post to you.
I know ottawa won't move Ceci for anything less that Matthews, Nylander, Marner or Rielly because I already made the post that they shouldn't and wouldn't before you even entered the thread. You then said you wouldn't trade Ceci for anybody except Matthews. Then later said you wouldn't trade Ceci for anybody who was just potential. Now you're saying Ottawa won't move Ceci for anything less than those four.

You can't even remember what you posted 10 mins ago, you constantly contradict yourself and you make things up that I've apparently said.


I'm done responding to you. Have a good day, buddy

 

[topshelf15]

This is my last post to you.
I know ottawa won't move Ceci for anything less that Matthews, Nylander, Marner or Rielly because I already made the post that they shouldn't and wouldn't before you even entered the thread. You then said you wouldn't trade Ceci for anybody except Matthews. Then later said you wouldn't trade Ceci for anybody who was just potential. Now you're saying Ottawa won't move Ceci for anything less than those four.

You can't even remember what you posted 10 mins ago, you constantly contradict yourself and you make things up that I've apparently said.


I'm done responding to you. Have a good day, buddy

Its ok ,next time own up to what you said .You said "obviously Ceci isnt worth any of these guys" I disagreed .You then started backpeddaling

 

[topshelf15]

The only way a trade for Ceci happens for the Sens is if we include one of Matthews, Rielly, Marner or Nylander and since Ceci obviously isn't worth that, there's no trade to be made.

Sens would be stupid not to ask for one of those guys in return and the leafs would be stupid to give up one of those guys.

/thread

Right here !!!

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

Adam Larsson just got traded for Taylor Hall, I honestly don't see much difference between Ceci and Larsson.

Ceci had more goals LAST SEASON than Larson has in HIS CAREER

THIS x1000

Ceci is a top 4 right shot Dman and the market for a player of that caliber is much much more than just Dermott, Brown + whatever other prospects half scraps we get offered.

Sens made it clear they want to win now and none of the above proposals help us do that. If you're not offering a TOP tier prospect or a current good NHL we don't want it.

 

[trentmccleary]

Oh. I must have missed where Karlsson played on team Canada.


Lol some sens fans say that Ceci got more ice time and that's why he is better than Rielly then when they get proven wrong, they have a myriad of excuses as to why Ceci actually didn't get the playing time. None of which include that he was outplayed.

Admit, Rielly is better than Ceci. It's not a huge deal to admit another team has a better player. you guys have a defenseman that is better than any of our dman or prospects could ever hope to be.

Weren't very good at Simon Says were ya?

I've never actually said that Ceci is better.
- I've stated that Ceci played more than Rielly did for most, if not all of that tournament. Which he did.
- I've stated that despite loads of PP time, Rielly has barely outscored Ceci... who gets almost no PP time.
- I've stated that Rielly, billed as an elite offensive d-man by Leafs fans since he was drafted, hasn't significantly outscored Ceci at any level, ever.
- I've stated that up until this season, Rielly wasn't getting any tough matchups or PK time, while Ceci was getting lots.

I have brought these points up at the suggestion of Leafs fans that there's some massive gap between them.. implications like Rielly is going to challenge for Norris Trophies and Ceci will be a #4. Absolutely nothing that has ever occurred in real life supports that assertion and I'm just pointing that out.

 

[TSN Jdog]

Ceci's not being traded, especially not for that.

Might I remind you that Ceci is sheltered by Karlsson HEAVILY.

 

[topshelf15]

Weren't very good at Simon Says were ya?

I've never actually said that Ceci is better.
- I've stated that Ceci played more than Rielly did for most, if not all of that tournament. Which he did.
- I've stated that despite loads of PP time, Rielly has barely outscored Ceci... who gets almost no PP time.
- I've stated that Rielly, billed as an elite offensive d-man by Leafs fans since he was drafted, hasn't significantly outscored Ceci at any level, ever.
- I've stated that up until this season, Rielly wasn't getting any tough matchups or PK time, while Ceci was getting lots.

I have brought these points up at the suggestion of Leafs fans that there's some massive gap between them.. implications like Rielly is going to challenge for Norris Trophies and Ceci will be a #4. Absolutely nothing that has ever occurred in real life supports that assertion and I'm just pointing that out.

Agreed ,now we just have to lock him up long term,maybe the constant underating will help us in this endeavor

 

[topshelf15]

Might I remind you that Ceci is sheltered by Karlsson HEAVILY.

Please explain ??If you mean sheltered as in taking most of all the PP opportunities away from him i am inclined to agree

 

[Gavy]

Weren't very good at Simon Says were ya?

I've never actually said that Ceci is better.
- I've stated that Ceci played more than Rielly did for most, if not all of that tournament. Which he did.
- I've stated that despite loads of PP time, Rielly has barely outscored Ceci... who gets almost no PP time.
- I've stated that Rielly, billed as an elite offensive d-man by Leafs fans since he was drafted, hasn't significantly outscored Ceci at any level, ever.
- I've stated that up until this season, Rielly wasn't getting any tough matchups or PK time, while Ceci was getting lots.

I have brought these points up at the suggestion of Leafs fans that there's some massive gap between them.. implications like Rielly is going to challenge for Norris Trophies and Ceci will be a #4. Absolutely nothing that has ever occurred in real life supports that assertion and I'm just pointing that out.

You talk about implications but act like your " then why did Ceci play more than Riwlly" posts aren't implying that you think Ceci is better.

 

[topshelf15]

You talk about implications but act like your " then why did Ceci play more than Riwlly" posts aren't implying that you think Ceci is better.

Why not ??you can post players that arent even in the league as being better

 

[trentmccleary]

You talk about implications but act like your " then why did Ceci play more than Riwlly" posts aren't implying that you think Ceci is better.

I'm responding to silly hyperbole about how bottom pairing scrub Ceci could never be compared to elite offensive d-man and future Norris winner Rielly. A statement of facts, like "why doesn't Team Canada Head Coach Bill Peters agree with that assessment?" seems like an important question to be ask if a Leafs fan is stating that there's Grand Canyon-esque Gulf between them. Actually, all of the facts posted above would need to be refuted to support that stance.

 

[Gavy]

I'm responding to silly hyperbole about how bottom pairing scrub Ceci could never be compared to elite offensive d-man and future Norris winner Rielly. A statement of facts, like "why doesn't Team Canada Head Coach Bill Peters agree with that assessment?" seems like an important question to be ask if a Leafs fan is stating that there's Grand Canyon-esque Gulf between them. Actually, all of the facts posted above would need to be refuted to support that stance.

Like the fact that Rielly was relied upon when the going got tough and Ceci wasn't? Remember, coach knows best and would play the better defenseman more.

I'm jist doing what you did during that tournament until Rielly played more minutes.

 

[Six Assets]

Ceci is actually really good. Underrated on this board.

He's a solid #3/#4 and most people think he will end up as a solid #2/high end #3

 

[Six Assets]

Might I remind you that Ceci is sheltered by Karlsson HEAVILY.

lol Ceci had to play with scrubs like Patty W and Cowen for years before Phaneuf came.

He looked like a top 4 dman playing with those scrubs, and now he's looking like a legit #3.

 

[trentmccleary]

Like the fact that Rielly was relied upon when the going got tough and Ceci wasn't? Remember, coach knows best and would play the better defenseman more.

I'm jist doing what you did during that tournament until Rielly played more minutes.

Whatever floats your boat.

Nothing that has ever happened in real life supports the assertion that these two will ever be more than 1 slot apart (if that) on the average team.

 

[McSuper]

Not even close. Ask yourself what the asking price for Rielly would be and start there. Ottawa isn't trading him anyways. He's too important to the top 4.

With all due respect and I am no TML fan in what world is equal to Rielly

 

[Mats13]

I'm responding to silly hyperbole about how bottom pairing scrub Ceci could never be compared to elite offensive d-man and future Norris winner Rielly. A statement of facts, like "why doesn't Team Canada Head Coach Bill Peters agree with that assessment?" seems like an important question to be ask if a Leafs fan is stating that there's Grand Canyon-esque Gulf between them. Actually, all of the facts posted above would need to be refuted to support that stance.

Ceci played more mins in games that were a cakewalk, Rielly played more mins in the most important games, including 10 more mins the gold medal game. How hard is that to grasp?

But since you seem to like hockey people's assessments, I'll explain it in a simpler way for you.

The Team NA management team (made up of NHL GMs and coaches) chose Rielly as on of their first 4 defenceman. Ceci did not make the team.

 

[McSuper]

Adam Larsson just got traded for Taylor Hall, I honestly don't see much difference between Ceci and Larsson.

Ceci had more goals LAST SEASON than Larson has in HIS CAREER

Larsson has been used as a top pairing shut down D with only 20% offensive zone starts , No PP time . The value between Ceci and Larsson are worlds apart . I am not sure you know who Larsson is if you think Ceci has as much value

 

[Gavy]

Ceci is actually really good. Underrated on this board.

He's a solid #3/#4 and most people think he will end up as a solid #2/high end #3

I'd agree with this