Proposal: Ceci to Leafs

[internetdotcom]

Should I replace Lazar with JGP? I kid

What do you think about it value wise?

I would answer that, but profanity is not allowed on these boards. So I'll just say "(4-letter word) no" , and leave it at that.

 

[BonkTastic]

Jerry Seinfeld said it best...

 

[IAmBobo]

thats a lot to give up for a 3rd pairing dman...espeically just his rights

 

[trentmccleary]

thats a lot to give up for a 3rd pairing dman...espeically just his rights

The bottom pairing d-man who played more than Rielly at the WHC's?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Terrible trade for Ottawa, Ceci's not going anywhere.

 

[topshelf15]

The bottom pairing d-man who played more than Rielly at the WHC's?

Would have loved to have seen Reilly with Cowen for the year.Then maybe they would see exactly what we have been talking about

 

[garyturner3]

Take out Ceci and it's fair.

While I agree the OP favors Toronto, there's no way Lazar has anywhere near that sort of value.

 

[Batrous]

Don't see how this deal helps either side. The Sens seem to have put together a defense and are looking to compete this year. Moving Ceci and Lazar will set them back as a team when rebuilding isn't want they want.

For the Leafs ... they know that they will probably still be a bad team for awhile until they can put together a decent or competitve defense. The only way they will be able to get most of that defense is by drafting and developing it with this deal hurts.

I don't see this deal being realistic to the needs of both teams.

 

[Hogan86]

Cody Ceci (RFA Rights)

Curtis Lazar



Brendan Leipsic

Travis Dermott

Connor Brown

2017 2nd round pick


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Thoughts?

As a Leafs fan I would make this deal. But I know Sens fans would feel like they are getting hosed by this offer. Here's a more realistic deal that returns immediate lineup players to Ottawa.

Ceci (RFA Rights)
Curtis Lazar

for

Marincin (RFA Rights)
Zach Hyman
Travis Dermott
2nd round pick 2018 (San Jose's pick)

This is just a rough basis for a deal. But Ottawa would need roster players coming back to fill holes in the lineup. Hyman has hockey sense and projects to be a top 6 guy someday. More realistically he would be an offensive middle 6 player who could be immediately moved to wing on the Sens 3rd line.(as he is a natural centre). Marinicin, who struggled at the start of last season, finished strong and is a big (6'4) young dman with a long reach and shutdown size that would round out the Sens top 4. Dermott is a decent Dman prospect to have in the pipeline, probably would immediately be in their top 3 D prospects.

As for the Leafs, Ceci could play some heavy minutes, is good defensively and could slot into the second pairing role seasmlessly. Plus Babcock would love that he's a RHD. Lazar battles hard, and I feel like we haven't seen his true offensive upside yet. Has leadership potential.

This is just a starting point for if a deal like this were to take place. Some tweaks by both sides would be made, but you got to give up talent to get talent back.

 

[BondraTime]

As a Leafs fan I would make this deal. But I know Sens fans would feel like they are getting hosed by this offer. Here's a more realistic deal that returns immediate lineup players to Ottawa.

Ceci (RFA Rights)
Curtis Lazar

for

Marincin (RFA Rights)
Zach Hyman
Travis Dermott
2nd round pick 2018 (San Jose's pick)

This is just a rough basis for a deal. But Ottawa would need roster players coming back to fill holes in the lineup. Hyman has hockey sense and projects to be a top 6 guy someday. More realistically he would be an offensive middle 6 player who could be immediately moved to wing on the Sens 3rd line.(as he is a natural centre). Marinicin, who struggled at the start of last season, finished strong and is a big (6'4) young dman with a long reach and shutdown size that would round out the Sens top 4. Dermott is a decent Dman prospect to have in the pipeline, probably would immediately be in their top 3 D prospects.

As for the Leafs, Ceci could play some heavy minutes, is good defensively and could slot into the second pairing role seasmlessly. Plus Babcock would love that he's a RHD. Lazar battles hard, and I feel like we haven't seen his true offensive upside yet. Has leadership potential.

This is just a starting point for if a deal like this were to take place. Some tweaks by both sides would be made, but you got to give up talent to get talent back.

Pretty ironic when the highlight of your package is either Dermott/2nd round pick, depending on how high you are on Dermott.

 

[WhatWhat]

As a Leafs fan I would make this deal. But I know Sens fans would feel like they are getting hosed by this offer. Here's a more realistic deal that returns immediate lineup players to Ottawa.

Ceci (RFA Rights)
Curtis Lazar

for

Marincin (RFA Rights)
Zach Hyman
Travis Dermott
2nd round pick 2018 (San Jose's pick)

This is just a rough basis for a deal. But Ottawa would need roster players coming back to fill holes in the lineup. Hyman has hockey sense and projects to be a top 6 guy someday. More realistically he would be an offensive middle 6 player who could be immediately moved to wing on the Sens 3rd line.(as he is a natural centre). Marinicin, who struggled at the start of last season, finished strong and is a big (6'4) young dman with a long reach and shutdown size that would round out the Sens top 4. Dermott is a decent Dman prospect to have in the pipeline, probably would immediately be in their top 3 D prospects.

As for the Leafs, Ceci could play some heavy minutes, is good defensively and could slot into the second pairing role seasmlessly. Plus Babcock would love that he's a RHD. Lazar battles hard, and I feel like we haven't seen his true offensive upside yet. Has leadership potential.

This is just a starting point for if a deal like this were to take place. Some tweaks by both sides would be made, but you got to give up talent to get talent back.

You just switched a couple names that i assume most would consider in the same value bin as the op. It's still bad for Ottawa

 

[BonkTastic]

As a Leafs fan I would make this deal. But I know Sens fans would feel like they are getting hosed by this offer. Here's a more realistic deal that returns immediate lineup players to Ottawa.

Ceci (RFA Rights)
Curtis Lazar

for

Marincin (RFA Rights)
Zach Hyman
Travis Dermott
2nd round pick 2018 (San Jose's pick)

This is just a rough basis for a deal. But Ottawa would need roster players coming back to fill holes in the lineup. Hyman has hockey sense and projects to be a top 6 guy someday. More realistically he would be an offensive middle 6 player who could be immediately moved to wing on the Sens 3rd line.(as he is a natural centre). Marinicin, who struggled at the start of last season, finished strong and is a big (6'4) young dman with a long reach and shutdown size that would round out the Sens top 4. Dermott is a decent Dman prospect to have in the pipeline, probably would immediately be in their top 3 D prospects.

As for the Leafs, Ceci could play some heavy minutes, is good defensively and could slot into the second pairing role seasmlessly. Plus Babcock would love that he's a RHD. Lazar battles hard, and I feel like we haven't seen his true offensive upside yet. Has leadership potential.

This is just a starting point for if a deal like this were to take place. Some tweaks by both sides would be made, but you got to give up talent to get talent back.

Look, we flat out just do not want quantity-for-quality packages here. Our farm system is already full of Marincins and Hymans and Dermotts. Every team has guys like that somewhere in their system. Having more of them doesn't help - you can only play 18-20 guys at a time.

If you can't think of a fair 1-for-1, or at worst 2-for-1 deal, we're just not interested. Period.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Ceci really turned up his game in the second half of last season, especially after we acquired Phaneuf and played them together. The management has no desire to move him and it was rumoured they wouldn't put him in a package for Drouin.

I expect him to be re-signed very shortly

 

[Atomos2]

Then you be crazy. I'm a Leaf fan and I'd give Brown++ for Ceci in a heartbeat.

Ummm, let's not get carried away.

 

[Hogan86]

You just switched a couple names that i assume most would consider in the same value bin as the op. It's still bad for Ottawa

I added names of players who are NHL read now. If you actually took the time to read my post you would see that. I wasn't making a groundbreaking offer or handing over any of our bluechip prospects. But IF a deal like this were to go down (once again, make sure you read the whole post), the Sens would need players to fill holes in their roster. Not 3 prospects and a draft pick.

 

[Hogan86]

Look, we flat out just do not want quantity-for-quality packages here. Our farm system is already full of Marincins and Hymans and Dermotts. Every team has guys like that somewhere in their system. Having more of them doesn't help - you can only play 18-20 guys at a time.

If you can't think of a fair 1-for-1, or at worst 2-for-1 deal, we're just not interested. Period.

Alright, then throw some names out? I was just spit balling, and making a more realistic basis of a trade with actually NHL ready players, because the OP had three prospects and a draft pick. What do you think Ceci could fetch?

 

[Gavy]

The bottom pairing d-man who played more than Rielly at the WHC's?

Hey its you again.
Remember when you said you trust the coaches decision more than Hfboards posters?

Do you also remember where in the most important games, Rielly had the most ice time of anybody on the team? Ceci isn't on the same level as Rielly but you can make a poll to prove me wrong if you'd like

 

[Atomos2]

The bottom pairing d-man who played more than Rielly at the WHC's?

Link?

I could've sworn it was Rielly who was up there with McDavid and Marchand as the top 3 most valuable players for their team.

 

[BonkTastic]

Alright, then throw some names out?

Why? I don't want to trade the guy in the first place.

Wasn't a Sens fan who made this thread. We're not shopping him. We want to keep him, the onus is on you guys to convince us otherwise.

 

[TheDoldrums]

The bottom pairing d-man who played more than Rielly at the WHC's?

You mean the guy who played more in the first few games. Ceci's highest ice times were against Germany and Slovakia. Once the games actually got tough and important, it was a different story.

Group stage vs Finland TOI

Ceci: 15:49
Rielly: 21:35

Quarter-Finals vs Sweden

Ceci: 17:37
Rielly: 19:39

Semi-Finals vs USA

Ceci: 15:59
Rielly: 22:11

Gold Medal game vs Finland

Ceci: 15:59
Rielly: 25:53

When Rielly plays 10 minutes more in the Championship game...I think it's pretty clear who was on the top pair.

 

[Hogan86]

The bottom pairing d-man who played more than Rielly at the WHC's?

Reilly had the most ice time of any Team Canada player in 4 of the 10 games, and more importantly 2 of those games were the semi's and the finals. Almost 26 minutes played in the finals alone.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Ceci's not being traded, especially not for that.

 

[Gavy]

Not even close. Ask yourself what the asking price for Rielly would be and start there. Ottawa isn't trading him anyways. He's too important to the top 4.

So you want what Rielly is worth as a START?

 

[Gavy]

Ceci's not being traded, especially not for that.

The only way a trade for Ceci happens for the Sens is if we include one of Matthews, Rielly, Marner or Nylander and since Ceci obviously isn't worth that, there's no trade to be made.

Sens would be stupid not to ask for one of those guys in return and the leafs would be stupid to give up one of those guys.

/thread

 

[SpezDispenser]

The only way a trade for Ceci happens for the Sens is if we include one of Matthews, Rielly, Marner or Nylander and since Ceci obviously isn't worth that, there's no trade to be made.

Sens would be stupid not to ask for one of those guys in return and the leafs would be stupid to give up one of those guys.

/thread

Pretty much.