Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

[Doggy]

Why? How will letting the best players leave get more money, recognition, or anything for CHL teams? It might be in 3-5 players best interest every year, but I can’t see how it makes the CHL better to lose stars and gate revenue. Maybe you could devise a buyout structure where and NHL team can buy out a player for $2 million or something, and that could help the CHL. But without compensation you are just hurting the CHL teams.

I think you are seeing more and more high end prospects going the NCAA route...specifically over the last 5-10 years. Perhaps one of the reasons players choose NCAAs over the CHL has to do with the ability to jump to the pros when ready as opposed to being locked in to the CHL until you are 20 (or ready for the NHL with no allowance for a developmental step for the player). Even if the player doesn't make the jump from NCAA to AHL, playing against 19-22 years olds in NCAA might be better preparation for the pros than playing against 16-19 year olds.

Not just the Canadian kids who come south but the top American kids who decide to stay home instead of going north to the CHL. Don't you think the CHL would have loved to see Adam Fantilli play three years in the OHL rather than two in the USHL and one in NCAAs? Maybe he goes that route regardless but maybe not.

So maybe the CHL holds 3-5 players captive for an extra year...but maybe they lose 3-5 players for several years to another developmental route by enforcing this rule. It could go either way.

 

[koteka]

I think you are seeing more and more high end prospects going the NCAA route...specifically over the last 5-10 years. Perhaps one of the reasons players choose NCAAs over the CHL has to do with the ability to jump to the pros when ready as opposed to being locked in to the CHL until you are 20 (or ready for the NHL with no allowance for a developmental step for the player). Even if the player doesn't make the jump from NCAA to AHL, playing against 19-22 years olds in NCAA might be better preparation for the pros than playing against 16-19 year olds.

I think the success of kids going the college route has a bigger impact on guys like Fantilli than the 20 year old rule.

The CHL financial model seems to be driven by a cycle where teams have a peak year where they go for it and then some rebuilding years. An OK team may trade a really good player to obtain a couple of players that will help in another year, and a team that is going for it may be willing to give up a good younger kid for a stud because this is their year. One aspect of the system that seems to work is a skilled young guy can get moved to a worse team and get more playing time, and really good players get moved to playoff teams so everyone can watch them.

Changing the 20 year old rule introduces an unpredictable factor into the equation and may gum up trades hurting everyone. If you think about making a trade now because your go for it year is 2024-2025 you then have to worry about a guy playing too well and jumping to the AHL before you get your shot at a deep playoff run. Businesses hate that kind of unpredictability. Losing a Fantilli doesnt hurt the CHL as much as a rule change that breaks the way the league is operating and deprives them of their home grown stars.

 

[squashmaple]

I think the success of kids going the college route has a bigger impact on guys like Fantilli than the 20 year old rule.

The CHL financial model seems to be driven by a cycle where teams have a peak year where they go for it and then some rebuilding years. An OK team may trade a really good player to obtain a couple of players that will help in another year, and a team that is going for it may be willing to give up a good younger kid for a stud because this is their year. One aspect of the system that seems to work is a skilled young guy can get moved to a worse team and get more playing time, and really good players get moved to playoff teams so everyone can watch them.

Changing the 20 year old rule introduces an unpredictable factor into the equation and may gum up trades hurting everyone. If you think about making a trade now because your go for it year is 2024-2025 you then have to worry about a guy playing too well and jumping to the AHL before you get your shot at a deep playoff run. Businesses hate that kind of unpredictability. Losing a Fantilli doesnt hurt the CHL as much as a rule change that breaks the way the league is operating and deprives them of their home grown stars.

If they did change it, they'd have to set it far enough in the future that it wouldn't affect current team set ups. As in, to start with players with 2010 or even 2011 birthdates. Which doesn't help the Shane Wrights or Matthew Savoies or Jordan Dumaises of now.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Have to agree that the skating does still look a bit wonky. Has there been any talk on how Jiri spends his offseasons? Organization should definitely be pushing a private skating coach if there isnt one already

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

According to Portzline, Sergei Ivanov has been traded to Vladivostok, where he is expected to be the starter. I could not find anything else about it. On EliteProspects, it was only noted as a rumour. Anyway, if it is true, it will be very interesting to see how he performs.

 

[barriers]

According to Portzline, Sergei Ivanov has been traded to Vladivostok, where he is expected to be the starter. I could not find anything else about it. On EliteProspects, it was only noted as a rumour. Anyway, if it is true, it will be very interesting to see how he performs.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Yeah, Ivanov was loaned to Admiral till the end of the season. Not sure will he be a starter, but even a backup is pretty good for a 19 yo kid.

 

[Cowumbus]

 

[Doggy]

Dolzhenkov didn't get on the scoreboard in his five KHL games but he seems to be fitting in just fine as a nineteen year old in the VHL (Russia's AHL).

3 Gs and 6 Pts in 7 games. Last year he played most of the year in the MHL (Russia's Juniors) so this is a step up for him. Strong start, interesting to see if he can maintain it over the course of the season. If so this is a good step in his development.

 

[stevo61]

Havent seen it mentioned but Rysavy did end up back in MJ. Theyve had a meh start so probably pretty excited to be getting Mateychuk back

 

[tunnelvision]

Two assists for Mateychuk in his first game back in MJ

 

[tunnelvision]

What did Jackets tell Mateychuk to keep working on this season? Answer at 3:33.

 

[MoeBartoli]

What did Jackets tell Mateychuk to keep working on this season? Answer at 3:33.

”Pace of play” is mentioned several times. This ties to the reason I hate the CHL rule preventing final year players from going to the AHL where they would experience that jump in pace. Though still not quite NHL speed, it would give them that AHL experience and accelerate some players matriculation to the NHL thus aiding Players in achieving their dream and their earning power.

 

[stevo61]

”Pace of play” is mentioned several times. This ties to the reason I hate the CHL rule preventing final year players from going to the AHL where they would experience that jump in pace. Though still not quite NHL speed, it would give them that AHL experience and accelerate some players matriculation to the NHL thus aiding Players in achieving their dream and their earning power.

Kind of but when I watched him last year while being more well rounded he did less of the things that got him drafted in the 1st place. Preseason was encouraging though, get back to leading rushes, making plays and being exciting on the offensive end of the rink.

Their top 3 guys should dominate this year and he gets an extra year in a leadership role so its not all bad

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

”Pace of play” is mentioned several times. This ties to the reason I hate the CHL rule preventing final year players from going to the AHL where they would experience that jump in pace. Though still not quite NHL speed, it would give them that AHL experience and accelerate some players matriculation to the NHL thus aiding Players in achieving their dream and their earning power.

Acknowledging that the CHL rule is not in place to aid players in achieving their dream and their earning power.

 

[barriers]

There is no CHL rule. They have CHL contracts that need to be honoured. The NHL has pre-negotiated an out-clause for those contracts, the AHL is a separate league and does not.

 

[MoeBartoli]

There is no CHL rule. They have CHL contracts that need to be honoured. The NHL has pre-negotiated an out-clause for those contracts, the AHL is a separate league and does not.

Get serious. The impact is the same. Does the CHL allow the player to sign a shorter term contract so they are not trapped?

 

[Doggy]

There is no CHL rule. They have CHL contracts that need to be honoured. The NHL has pre-negotiated an out-clause for those contracts, the AHL is a separate league and does not.

Semantics

 

[Doggy]

Ivanov got into his first KHL game with Admiral. It appears he didn't start but after the starter gave up two goals on just eleven shots in about twelve minutes, Ivanov stepped in stopping 21 of 22 shots in almost 48 minutes. Good showing, hopefully this leads to a start for him and a chance to prove he deserves his share of the games.

 

[tunnelvision]

Rysavy now playing on the top line with Firkus and Yager (2nd game in a row?), picked up a goal and 2 assists vs Lethbridge. Another 2A night for Mateychuk.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Rysavy now playing on the top line with Firkus and Yager (2nd game in a row?), picked up a goal and 2 assists vs Lethbridge. Another 2A night for Mateychuk.

Mateychuk looked good against playing against NHL players. I expect he will just dominate in juniors

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Do I remember right that Moosejaw's season didn't start all that hot? And now with Mateychuk in the lineup they seem to be winning?

 

[tunnelvision]

Do I remember right that Moosejaw's season didn't start all that hot? And now with Mateychuk in the lineup they seem to be winning?

Now they've lost two in a row.

Mateychuk looked good against playing against NHL players. I expect he will just dominate in juniors

I've noticed there are many CBJ fans here and elsewhere on the internet who could temper their expectations a bit. He did fine in the preseason games let's not act like he was a true difference maker capable of filling a top-4 role in the NHL all year without looking out of place.

Production should go up from last year and defensive game should be improved but domination? I don't know, depends on what you mean by that. I'm a little worried that he's only recorded 2 SOG in 4 games, considering how much emphasis he had put on improving his shot in the offseason... @stevo61 have you caught any games yet? I wonder if he's struggled to get scoring chances or is it more a matter of being less active offensively/tendency to overpass like last year?

 

[majormajor]

Now they've lost two in a row.


I've noticed there are many CBJ fans here and elsewhere on the internet who could temper their expectations a bit. He did fine in the preseason games let's not act like he was a true difference maker capable of filling a top-4 role in the NHL all year without looking out of place.

Production should go up from last year and defensive game should be improved but domination? I don't know, depends on what you mean by that. I'm a little worried that he's only recorded 2 SOG in 4 games, considering how much emphasis he had put on improving his shot in the offseason... @stevo61 have you caught any games yet? I wonder if he's struggled to get scoring chances or is it more a matter of being less active offensively/tendency to overpass like last year?

I thought he was a legit difference maker in pre-season, though I didn't expect that to translate right away to the regular season.

6 assists in 4 WHL games is not bad.

 

[stevo61]

Now they've lost two in a row.


I've noticed there are many CBJ fans here and elsewhere on the internet who could temper their expectations a bit. He did fine in the preseason games let's not act like he was a true difference maker capable of filling a top-4 role in the NHL all year without looking out of place.

Production should go up from last year and defensive game should be improved but domination? I don't know, depends on what you mean by that. I'm a little worried that he's only recorded 2 SOG in 4 games, considering how much emphasis he had put on improving his shot in the offseason... @stevo61 have you caught any games yet? I wonder if he's struggled to get scoring chances or is it more a matter of being less active offensively/tendency to overpass like last year?

Nah, just caught the end of that Calgary game. Sounded like he was playing well but when they went up by 3 halfway through the 3rd it looked like the team got a bit lazy and gave up a preventable goal late.

I would like to get to some games but working out of province its hard to find time. If they play weekend games in Regina Ill try and take the boy and go watch.