Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI
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I posted about it earlier in the year after taking a closer look at his numbers. He quite clearly was taking advantage of some pretty weak teams while him and his team would put up big goal numbers. He’d get a point or 2 against the higher level teams and people would have sarcastic defensive comments.
Whether it’s the QMJHL or not, I don’t think some people quite understand just how much worse the worst JR defenseman and teams are, compared to NHL players.
As for Svozil there are many articles & stats that prove Svozil spread the wealth and the Bedard factor was just conjecture.
Ceulmans and Mateychuk - I haven’t looked into and will this summer. I know @majormajor, @stevo61 and few others were tracking them.
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I assume by "some people" you are not referring to the exceedingly vast majority of posters in this forum.
Back when I was a Browns fan (pre Deshaun Watson) I used to find a plethora of morons on the Browns forum I frequented. And we certainly know there are plenty of unknowledgeable CBJ fans (I have sat next to more than my share at actual games) but that comes with a still developing fanbase in what was generally a hockey desert before 2000. However, I find this board to be a knowledgeable fanbase (far more knowledgeable than me and I have been following for 40+ years and consider myself reasonably informed). Do we agree on everything...of course not...but I appreciate the alternative opinions I read here, learn much and sometimes change my opinions based on what I read.
AndBoomGoesTheCannon
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In the prospect review with Rick Nash video that was recently posted he mentioned that Denton was playing almost half of games (28-30min) and that in some ways he wished it could be a little less. May just be fatigue preventing him from being as involved in offense as previous years.
Yes, as I said, some people. Didn’t say “you people”, didn’t say “most people”.
Though, I think it’s a higher percentage than what you are trying to pass off. It really wasn’t an attack at the CBJ posters/fans or this board specifically, it’s just that there was, dare I say a “majority”, of people here posting (passive aggressively) in defense of Dumais earlier in the year when some other people were questioning his scoring breakdown by team and the overall quality of the QMJHL as a whole.
Again, it literally was a GENERAL comment, that I 100% stand by regarding the NHL/hockey (don’t follow any of Americas favorite criminal/women beater league- and don’t fool yourself they’re full of those guys—sorry).
Most people, yes most, give way too much weight to what players do or don’t do —statistically— at the junior or amateur level, in regards to looking at their future or potential in the pros.
I’d say that NHLE number that is supposed to take their Junior numbers in order to “predict” the amount of points a player will put up in the NHL is probably the most pointless “advanced stat” there is.
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In other words, it was a comment that could have been made without attempting to say that other people are stupid compared to me, but what’s the fun in that?
I do remember seeing those Dumais "defenders" in the main prospect thread (non-CBJ forum). I think there were some posters concluding that the difference wasn't huge, but it was there. (That also sparked my comment a while back about if Dumais could be traded to another Q team in a harder division.)
I think here on the CBJ side we've been pretty realistic about Dumais? He's shown flashes but it's up to him to prove it in camp and next season in the Q (assumedly) and then in the AHL. I guess some folks could get carried away by the stats and the company he's in now after the season but I don't remember seeing anybody calling him the next Crosby, or even seriously saying he's going to be playing in the NHL next year (nobody has made a lineup suggestion including Dumais).
Will be fun to see him in camp regardless!
I think here on the CBJ side we've been pretty realistic about Dumais? He's shown flashes but it's up to him to prove it in camp and next season in the Q (assumedly) and then in the AHL. I guess some folks could get carried away by the stats and the company he's in now after the season but I don't remember seeing anybody calling him the next Crosby, or even seriously saying he's going to be playing in the NHL next year (nobody has made a lineup suggestion including Dumais).
Will be fun to see him in camp regardless!
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But I thought we had defined him in the last couple days? Geez this is complicated.
Im as big of fan of him as anyone but my comment was more to do with the fact some feel he's too good for the Q. Id like to see a player dominate the playoffs like he did the regular season to make that claim.
On upside I don't think Svozil is any lower than Orlov. He could even be a 50+ pt guy on the top pair. More likely to fall short defensively, and he still has a long way to go physically.
Moncton had 74 points in the regular season and would have placed 5th in the opposite conference.
The final 4 teams left all had 105+ points in the regular season. The QMJHL really is ridiculously “top heavy”.
His future will be defined/determined in the next 1-2 weeks.
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You mean his season could be defined in the next 1-2 weeks. His future will likely be defined around the age of 23 when he's through the development years essentially.
Was a simple jab at DSL, regarding his response to the 3 point game against Moncton.
The entire debate has been essentially what can Dumais to against the better teams in the ‘Q’, and Moncton is not 1 of those teams.
Yes, the next series or 2 will show more of what he really is as an NHL prospect, even if it is just a handful of games.
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If we can’t say something with absolute certainty now that it’s impossible to know until some time in the future is this even the internet?
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What do you mean, an African or European internet??
Don’t worry DSL, HFB, society, and year 2023, I’m a Monty Python fan, not a “racist” or “bigot”.
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I do not have the necessary scope of the Quebec Major Jr league to be able to guage whether Dumais scored more against weaker teams. The stats showed that to be a true statement but he has scored a lot wherever he has played. That is the thing that impresses me more than trying to assess the value of what Jordan Dumais did this year or which teams he did it against - there is only a handful of players that have amassed the stats that he has produced. A few of those became great, and a few were NHL duds. Looking forward to finding out whether he can be one of the NHL stars. I am a JD fan
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Mateychuk scored for MJ. They are getting dominated by Winnipeg so their season is probably over after tonight.
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CBJWerenski8
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Hopefully he has a great summer and impresses at Development camp.
In yesterday's Euro Hockey Challenge game Jiricek injured his hip in the 2nd period. It probably occured in this situation, credit to @Voodoozz. Svozil wasn't dressed for the game.
Looks like it might be a rib. Probably nothing serious but it might delay his summer training.
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Only in the sense that most folks seem to think he's a likely 4th liner and I had him figured as middle-six because I'm unreasonably optimistic about that scoring touch. But that's enough for this development to apply.
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